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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions

Pierre,
I'm going to try to make it to the convention, especially since it's in the
northeast.  I'll be returning from a trip to Europe around that time.  If I
make it back in time, I'll to be there.

Happy building!
Dan H.

----- Original Message -----
From: "pierre&marie" <poulin.carrier@videotron.ca>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 10:33 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions


> Dan, it seems that we are often thinking the same way...
>
> I hope you come to the convention so we could meet and exange social,
> philosophy, and other general life theory.
>
> Around some sort of specialy prepared beverage of course...
>
> Pierre Poulin
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dan H." <JMachine@adelphia.net>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 12:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions
>
>
> > I second that Pierre!   Interesting reactions for all sorts of folks.
> >
> > I've run across the same "Doubting Thomas's."  Now, after two years of
> > construction, I find that the word is out. People I never met before
know
> of
> > my project.  When they see it as it stands now, not as many doubt it's
> > ability to do what it's intended to do, although not many volunteer to
> test
> > dive it either.
> >
> > I still get the occasional "what if it sinks with you in it," to which I
> > answer "if it doesn't it's a heck of an expensive row boat!"  That
usually
> > satisfies them.  The next most asked question is, "where are you going
to
> > use it," I'm hours from the ocean.  My set answer to that one is, "when
> you
> > buy a car, do you have a trip planned first or do you first get the
car?"
> > That works.
> >
> > If I was to announce my madden voyage to all that requested to be there,
I
> > won't be able to put in at the ramp because of the crowd.  *S*
> > I think I'll slip in about four in the morning and test in private......
> > Just in case!  *S*
> >
> > Maybe I hear less "nay-sayers" now because they believe it will work but
> > maybe they still doubt it behind my back.  Either way, I hear less of it
> > now.   When making a purchase, I still don't say it's for my sub.  Most
> > people don't want to know their products end use because of liability
> > concerns.  I don't blame them either.  If you don't say SUB, they have
no
> > need for concern.
> >
> > Dan H.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Pierre Poulin" <pipo305@hotmail.com>
> > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:48 AM
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions
> >
> >
> > > Hey, nice writing Warren!
> > >
> > > It's good for the morale to read that kind of stuff. I must confess
that
> > i'm
> > > building my sub with some degree of secrecy. Just tired of hearing:
you
> > > gonna kill yourself with that, that thing is gonna sink! (isn't it the
> > > point?), Hey, nice coffin! etc... So when I shop for a valve or
> something
> > > else, It is always for a swimming pool...
> > >
> > > I don't know why i'm writing this, but it make me feel good, sorry.
> > >
> > > Pierre Poulin
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Warren Greenway <opensourcesub@yahoo.com>
> > > >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions
> > > >Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
> > > >
> > > >Best left to professionals? Hmmm. I think that the
> > > >only
> > > >reason anyone would ever think that is because they
> > > >don't know where the professionals! I haven't built my
> > > >sub yet, but I certainly have many other mechanical
> > > >hobbies, like building up cars and engines, that most
> > > >people insist should be left to the pros. Bull. The
> > > >pros started out in their garages on a amateur level
> > > >just like myself! (I know, I have talked to many of
> > > >them!) Also, I would like to mention that to me every
> > > >PSUB built is ambitious and impressive. Why? Because
> > > >everyone who builds a sub is pushing their limits,
> > > >both in resources and talents, and expanding their
> > > >horizons. They are doing the most ambiotious thing
> > > >they feel they are capable of, and doing it darn well!
> > > >Anyhoo, just my thoughts. I guess I don't see why
> > > >deepest diving is any more impressive then a sub that
> > > >dives 30 meters. Both builders were pushing
> > > >themselves,
> > > >and should be respected for their resourcefulness and
> > > >determination!
> > > >
> > > >Warren.
> > > >Head of OSS (Open Source Sub Project)
> > > >--- Andrew Case <acase@glue.umd.edu> wrote:
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > I'm not a psub builder (though I may be one day),
> > > > > but I'm trying to
> > > > > understand a bit about how ambitious amateur
> > > > > tinkerers build things
> > > > > that outsiders often consider too difficult or too
> > > > > dangerous for anyone
> > > > > but highly trained professionals. I have some
> > > > > questions about psubs and
> > > > > their construction that I hope people on the list
> > > > > can help me with. I'm
> > > > > particularly interested in the high end of what
> > > > > people build - the
> > > > > deepest diving, longest endurance, etc. I realize
> > > > > that psubs span a
> > > > > huge range, so I'm focussing on the more expensive
> > > > > and time consuming
> > > > > projects. That said, the questions:
> > > > >
> > > > > Roughly how much time goes into a typical ambitious
> > > > > psub? Only psubs
> > > > > that actually make it to the water count - I'm sure
> > > > > there are some with
> > > > > thousands of man-hours on them that are abandoned
> > > > > half-finished :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > Roughly how much money goes into a psub at the
> > > > > expensive end of the
> > > > > homebuilt range? (for concreteness say 50+% of the
> > > > > work done by the
> > > > > owner)
> > > > >
> > > > > Which projects constitute the high end? - I'm aware
> > > > > of Carsten's
> > > > > project (WOW!) but it seems like there's rather a
> > > > > big gap between that
> > > > > and the next most ambitious project - am I
> > > > > overlooking something? I
> > > > > realize that "ambitious" is a little ill-defined -
> > > > > there are multiple
> > > > > figures of merit (depth, number of persons, time
> > > > > under water, etc.) -
> > > > > I'm interested in your opinions about what the
> > > > > important figures of
> > > > > merit are (realizing that it's subjective) - part of
> > > > > my interest is not
> > > > > just the subs themselves, but the community of
> > > > > builders as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > I realize there's likely to be some fuzziness in the
> > > > > answers, since
> > > > > with things like this there is often some blurring
> > > > > of the lines between
> > > > > amateur and professional (Lest I offend anyone: I
> > > > > use "amateur" in the
> > > > > original sense of one motivated primarily by a
> > > > > passion for the work at
> > > > > hand, not with the connotation of being unskilled or
> > > > > incompetent). I've
> > > > > read the FAQ and the last six weeks of the archives
> > > > > to try to get a
> > > > > feel for the community, and I must say that apart
> > > > > from the odd off
> > > > > topic posting I'm impressed with the level of the
> > > > > discussion.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for your help,
> > > > > ......Andrew
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Dr. Andrew Case, PhD.
> > > > > Institute for Research in Electronics and Applied
> > > > > Physics,
> > > > > University of Maryland, College Park
> > > > > "If the United States tries nation building, it's
> > > > > got to [have] at the
> > > > > very top of its agenda a separation of church and
> > > > > state" - Pat Robertson
> > > > >
> > > >
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