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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions

I second that Pierre!   Interesting reactions for all sorts of folks.

I've run across the same "Doubting Thomas's."  Now, after two years of
construction, I find that the word is out. People I never met before know of
my project.  When they see it as it stands now, not as many doubt it's
ability to do what it's intended to do, although not many volunteer to test
dive it either.

I still get the occasional "what if it sinks with you in it," to which I
answer "if it doesn't it's a heck of an expensive row boat!"  That usually
satisfies them.  The next most asked question is, "where are you going to
use it," I'm hours from the ocean.  My set answer to that one is, "when you
buy a car, do you have a trip planned first or do you first get the car?"
That works.

If I was to announce my madden voyage to all that requested to be there, I
won't be able to put in at the ramp because of the crowd.  *S*
I think I'll slip in about four in the morning and test in private......
Just in case!  *S*

Maybe I hear less "nay-sayers" now because they believe it will work but
maybe they still doubt it behind my back.  Either way, I hear less of it
now.   When making a purchase, I still don't say it's for my sub.  Most
people don't want to know their products end use because of liability
concerns.  I don't blame them either.  If you don't say SUB, they have no
need for concern.

Dan H.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Pierre Poulin" <pipo305@hotmail.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 11:48 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions


> Hey, nice writing Warren!
>
> It's good for the morale to read that kind of stuff. I must confess that
i'm
> building my sub with some degree of secrecy. Just tired of hearing: you
> gonna kill yourself with that, that thing is gonna sink! (isn't it the
> point?), Hey, nice coffin! etc... So when I shop for a valve or something
> else, It is always for a swimming pool...
>
> I don't know why i'm writing this, but it make me feel good, sorry.
>
> Pierre Poulin
>
>
>
>
>
>
> >From: Warren Greenway <opensourcesub@yahoo.com>
> >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Some questions
> >Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2003 08:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >Best left to professionals? Hmmm. I think that the
> >only
> >reason anyone would ever think that is because they
> >don't know where the professionals! I haven't built my
> >sub yet, but I certainly have many other mechanical
> >hobbies, like building up cars and engines, that most
> >people insist should be left to the pros. Bull. The
> >pros started out in their garages on a amateur level
> >just like myself! (I know, I have talked to many of
> >them!) Also, I would like to mention that to me every
> >PSUB built is ambitious and impressive. Why? Because
> >everyone who builds a sub is pushing their limits,
> >both in resources and talents, and expanding their
> >horizons. They are doing the most ambiotious thing
> >they feel they are capable of, and doing it darn well!
> >Anyhoo, just my thoughts. I guess I don't see why
> >deepest diving is any more impressive then a sub that
> >dives 30 meters. Both builders were pushing
> >themselves,
> >and should be respected for their resourcefulness and
> >determination!
> >
> >Warren.
> >Head of OSS (Open Source Sub Project)
> >--- Andrew Case <acase@glue.umd.edu> wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > > I'm not a psub builder (though I may be one day),
> > > but I'm trying to
> > > understand a bit about how ambitious amateur
> > > tinkerers build things
> > > that outsiders often consider too difficult or too
> > > dangerous for anyone
> > > but highly trained professionals. I have some
> > > questions about psubs and
> > > their construction that I hope people on the list
> > > can help me with. I'm
> > > particularly interested in the high end of what
> > > people build - the
> > > deepest diving, longest endurance, etc. I realize
> > > that psubs span a
> > > huge range, so I'm focussing on the more expensive
> > > and time consuming
> > > projects. That said, the questions:
> > >
> > > Roughly how much time goes into a typical ambitious
> > > psub? Only psubs
> > > that actually make it to the water count - I'm sure
> > > there are some with
> > > thousands of man-hours on them that are abandoned
> > > half-finished :-(
> > >
> > > Roughly how much money goes into a psub at the
> > > expensive end of the
> > > homebuilt range? (for concreteness say 50+% of the
> > > work done by the
> > > owner)
> > >
> > > Which projects constitute the high end? - I'm aware
> > > of Carsten's
> > > project (WOW!) but it seems like there's rather a
> > > big gap between that
> > > and the next most ambitious project - am I
> > > overlooking something? I
> > > realize that "ambitious" is a little ill-defined -
> > > there are multiple
> > > figures of merit (depth, number of persons, time
> > > under water, etc.) -
> > > I'm interested in your opinions about what the
> > > important figures of
> > > merit are (realizing that it's subjective) - part of
> > > my interest is not
> > > just the subs themselves, but the community of
> > > builders as well.
> > >
> > > I realize there's likely to be some fuzziness in the
> > > answers, since
> > > with things like this there is often some blurring
> > > of the lines between
> > > amateur and professional (Lest I offend anyone: I
> > > use "amateur" in the
> > > original sense of one motivated primarily by a
> > > passion for the work at
> > > hand, not with the connotation of being unskilled or
> > > incompetent). I've
> > > read the FAQ and the last six weeks of the archives
> > > to try to get a
> > > feel for the community, and I must say that apart
> > > from the odd off
> > > topic posting I'm impressed with the level of the
> > > discussion.
> > >
> > > Thanks for your help,
> > > ......Andrew
> > >
> > > --
> > > Dr. Andrew Case, PhD.
> > > Institute for Research in Electronics and Applied
> > > Physics,
> > > University of Maryland, College Park
> > > "If the United States tries nation building, it's
> > > got to [have] at the
> > > very top of its agenda a separation of church and
> > > state" - Pat Robertson
> > >
> >
> >
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