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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS, interpersonal communication

On Wed, 15 Jan 2003 15:26:37 -0800
Ron <ronleonard@shaw.ca> wrote:

> It's easy enough to tow a small buoy with the sub. The sub pulls it
> under when it submerges, and the buoy comes to the surface before the
> sub, by whatever length of cable you use. 

The drag from the cable would slow down your vessel a little, but I'd be
more worried about the cable get tangled up with something, at best
it would be inconvenient, at worst it could present problems surfacing
again.

Maybe a retractable pole with some sort of strobe light and horn
on it?

It might be easier to give free rides and pizza to your friends...

Ian.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Doc
> Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:14 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS, interpersonal communication
> 
> 
> Even without sonar or hydrophones I could usually hear surface motor
> traffic from quite a way out, and if you have upward visibility, unless
> you're diving  on a dark moonless night, surface silhouettes can be seen
> from a safe depth even in rather murky water. But them damn sailboats
> can sure sneak up on ya quick.
> 
>  We use support boats during testing and training, especially in the
> lakes here, but then, it's much better to be independent once equipment
> and pilot have reached a comfort level together. It can be tough to
> round up a support crew to sit out in a boat and wait for you to finnish
> having fun below the waves while they're fighting frostbite topside. You
> can usually only get away with that once, then start looking for new
> suckers,,,, I mean crew.
> 
> Doc
> 
> Coalbunny wrote:
> 
> > That's cool.  What about those that don't have a surface support 
> > vessel? Carl
> >
> > Ray Keefer wrote:
> > >
> > > Actually that is what your surface support vessel does for you. Ward
> 
> > > off evil high speed boats and laden tankers.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:17:02 -0700
> > > > From: Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com>
> > > > X-Accept-Language: en
> > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS, interpersonal communication
> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > >
> > > > Dale, that's what periscopes are for.  And because of the risk 
> > > > potential, there is liable to be legislation passed restricting 
> > > > psubs at some point in time.  Not if, when.  So this is something 
> > > > that must be covered well. Carl
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > "Dale A. Raby" wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well... I think this is the part where an old fart like myself 
> > > > > needs to step in.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pierre, the design process for a project like this is likely to 
> > > > > take months and even years... not days.  If you are a design 
> > > > > engineer, you know this, and if you are not, you know it now.  A
> 
> > > > > few days to coordinate the standards is nothing much in the 
> > > > > grand scheme of things.  We are a large group.  Granted, we have
> 
> > > > > to follow the leader, but he needs feedback in order to make his
> 
> > > > > decisions... and he is young as well, so I am sure he wants to 
> > > > > move along as much as you do. Be patient, lad, we'll get there!
> > > > >
> > > > > I am very interested to see what this group puts together and 
> > > > > will be proud to be able to say that I had even a small part in 
> > > > > it, even though I am unlikely to ever bolt the first hull plate 
> > > > > on my own submersible.
> > > > >
> > > > > You all seem to get along much better than any group I have ever
> 
> > > > > seen before.  As near as I can tell it is because you are not 
> > > > > soldiers, artists, programmers, and women.  Groups in these 
> > > > > classifications never seem to be able to get along for any 
> > > > > length of time... go ahead call me a sexist, I don't care,  but 
> > > > > most women would agree with the statement.
> > > > >
> > > > > This issue aside, we are still a very diverse group, so I think 
> > > > > perhaps I should point out a few things.  First off, not 
> > > > > everyone here speaks English as their first language.  A 
> > > > > statement such as Pierre made might just possibly be construed 
> > > > > as inflamatory, though most likely it was not intended as such.
> 
> > > > > He's just young and impatient... and I must add that his English
> 
> > > > > is better than my Francais.  We also have different attitudes.  
> > > > > Toleration and thick skin is a must in a project such as this 
> > > > > one.  Intollerance will kill the project more certainly than any
> 
> > > > > technological difficulty.  Be flexible, like Gumby.
> > > > >
> > > > > Now, for you guys who might need some help with English language
> 
> > > > > skills... a phrase or word you don't understand... or getting 
> > > > > around American slang or attitudes... ask me and I will give it 
> > > > > a shot.  My household speaks a mixture of English, German, and 
> > > > > Italian... we can also do French and Spanish if necessary.  Do 
> > > > > it off the list if you want.
> > > > >
> > > > > OK, enough from the landlubber this morning.  There are some 
> > > > > interesting things developing... the sharkskin concept, the 
> > > > > window issue, the modular concept.... keep at it!  Oh, yeah... a
> 
> > > > > while back someone discussed fish finders as active sonar 
> > > > > devices... hopefully the OSS would have that as well.  There is 
> > > > > some pretty murky water around here.
> > > > >
> > > > > BTW, how do PSUBs avoid getting run down while surfacing?  It 
> > > > > seems to me that a large freighter could not avoid a small sub 
> > > > > surfacing in its path, nor could a fast moving small surface 
> > > > > craft.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dale
> > > > >
> > > > > On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 06:19, Pierre Poulin wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Man, that process is gonna take forever. Please let a leader 
> > > > > > take a
> > > decision
> > > > > > and let the groupe move on! We could debate that simple issue 
> > > > > > for days...
> > > (I
> > > > > > think that's what we've done already)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking forward to be in the design process! In the meat 
> > > > > > of the
> > > projet!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Pierre
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Dale A. Raby
> > > > > Editor/Publisher
> > > > > The Green Bay Web
> > > > > http://www.thegreenbayweb.com
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > "You delight not in a city's seven or seventy wonders, but in an 
> > > > answer it gives to a question of yours, or the question it asks 
> > > > you, forcing you to answer, like Thebes through the mouth of the 
> > > > Sphinx." -- Kublai Khan
> >
> > --
> > "You delight not in a city's seven or seventy wonders, but in an 
> > answer it gives to a question of yours, or the question it asks you, 
> > forcing you to answer, like Thebes through the mouth of the Sphinx." 
> > -- Kublai Khan
> 
>