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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS, interpersonal communication

It's easy enough to tow a small buoy with the sub. The sub pulls it
under when it submerges, and the buoy comes to the surface before the
sub, by whatever length of cable you use. 


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Doc
Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 10:14 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS, interpersonal communication


Even without sonar or hydrophones I could usually hear surface motor
traffic from quite a way out, and if you have upward visibility, unless
you're diving  on a dark moonless night, surface silhouettes can be seen
from a safe depth even in rather murky water. But them damn sailboats
can sure sneak up on ya quick.

 We use support boats during testing and training, especially in the
lakes here, but then, it's much better to be independent once equipment
and pilot have reached a comfort level together. It can be tough to
round up a support crew to sit out in a boat and wait for you to finnish
having fun below the waves while they're fighting frostbite topside. You
can usually only get away with that once, then start looking for new
suckers,,,, I mean crew.

Doc

Coalbunny wrote:

> That's cool.  What about those that don't have a surface support 
> vessel? Carl
>
> Ray Keefer wrote:
> >
> > Actually that is what your surface support vessel does for you. Ward

> > off evil high speed boats and laden tankers.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ray
> >
> > > Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 08:17:02 -0700
> > > From: Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com>
> > > X-Accept-Language: en
> > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS, interpersonal communication
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > >
> > > Dale, that's what periscopes are for.  And because of the risk 
> > > potential, there is liable to be legislation passed restricting 
> > > psubs at some point in time.  Not if, when.  So this is something 
> > > that must be covered well. Carl
> > >
> > >
> > > > "Dale A. Raby" wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well... I think this is the part where an old fart like myself 
> > > > needs to step in.
> > > >
> > > > Pierre, the design process for a project like this is likely to 
> > > > take months and even years... not days.  If you are a design 
> > > > engineer, you know this, and if you are not, you know it now.  A

> > > > few days to coordinate the standards is nothing much in the 
> > > > grand scheme of things.  We are a large group.  Granted, we have

> > > > to follow the leader, but he needs feedback in order to make his

> > > > decisions... and he is young as well, so I am sure he wants to 
> > > > move along as much as you do. Be patient, lad, we'll get there!
> > > >
> > > > I am very interested to see what this group puts together and 
> > > > will be proud to be able to say that I had even a small part in 
> > > > it, even though I am unlikely to ever bolt the first hull plate 
> > > > on my own submersible.
> > > >
> > > > You all seem to get along much better than any group I have ever

> > > > seen before.  As near as I can tell it is because you are not 
> > > > soldiers, artists, programmers, and women.  Groups in these 
> > > > classifications never seem to be able to get along for any 
> > > > length of time... go ahead call me a sexist, I don't care,  but 
> > > > most women would agree with the statement.
> > > >
> > > > This issue aside, we are still a very diverse group, so I think 
> > > > perhaps I should point out a few things.  First off, not 
> > > > everyone here speaks English as their first language.  A 
> > > > statement such as Pierre made might just possibly be construed 
> > > > as inflamatory, though most likely it was not intended as such.

> > > > He's just young and impatient... and I must add that his English

> > > > is better than my Francais.  We also have different attitudes.  
> > > > Toleration and thick skin is a must in a project such as this 
> > > > one.  Intollerance will kill the project more certainly than any

> > > > technological difficulty.  Be flexible, like Gumby.
> > > >
> > > > Now, for you guys who might need some help with English language

> > > > skills... a phrase or word you don't understand... or getting 
> > > > around American slang or attitudes... ask me and I will give it 
> > > > a shot.  My household speaks a mixture of English, German, and 
> > > > Italian... we can also do French and Spanish if necessary.  Do 
> > > > it off the list if you want.
> > > >
> > > > OK, enough from the landlubber this morning.  There are some 
> > > > interesting things developing... the sharkskin concept, the 
> > > > window issue, the modular concept.... keep at it!  Oh, yeah... a

> > > > while back someone discussed fish finders as active sonar 
> > > > devices... hopefully the OSS would have that as well.  There is 
> > > > some pretty murky water around here.
> > > >
> > > > BTW, how do PSUBs avoid getting run down while surfacing?  It 
> > > > seems to me that a large freighter could not avoid a small sub 
> > > > surfacing in its path, nor could a fast moving small surface 
> > > > craft.
> > > >
> > > > Dale
> > > >
> > > > On Tue, 2003-01-14 at 06:19, Pierre Poulin wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Man, that process is gonna take forever. Please let a leader 
> > > > > take a
> > decision
> > > > > and let the groupe move on! We could debate that simple issue 
> > > > > for days...
> > (I
> > > > > think that's what we've done already)
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking forward to be in the design process! In the meat 
> > > > > of the
> > projet!
> > > > >
> > > > > Pierre
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dale A. Raby
> > > > Editor/Publisher
> > > > The Green Bay Web
> > > > http://www.thegreenbayweb.com
> > >
> > > --
> > > "You delight not in a city's seven or seventy wonders, but in an 
> > > answer it gives to a question of yours, or the question it asks 
> > > you, forcing you to answer, like Thebes through the mouth of the 
> > > Sphinx." -- Kublai Khan
>
> --
> "You delight not in a city's seven or seventy wonders, but in an 
> answer it gives to a question of yours, or the question it asks you, 
> forcing you to answer, like Thebes through the mouth of the Sphinx." 
> -- Kublai Khan