Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet

[Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com>]

Ian, check out an AutoCar.  It's a flatbed truck that is designed for
heavy work.  When I was working in the oil field a month back we had one
and it could easily pull 20+ tons with it's winch.
Carl


Ian Roxborough wrote:
> 
> Any special tools that we need should be factored in
> to the overall cost.  This would include the method of
> transporting it to and from the dive site.  If 'we' are
> planning to build a submarine of the size people are talking
> about then you will probably need either a crane or strong
> forklift truck for lifting parts and section into place.
> 
> Although, it might be more econimical to get a vehicle
> such as a flat bed truck with a built on crane:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=6729&item=2400013033
> 
> The specs being kicked around sounds more like the size of
> a 4 to 6+ person sub, with room to stand up.  I've got
> say I would love to have a sub like that, but I'm not
> sure how relistic it is to solve all the logistical problems
> for constructing such a vessel by a private individual.
> In fact I think hardly any one would beable to finance
> and construct such a vessel, more so since this is intended
> as a 'first submarine'.  1 meter is a more realistic hull
> diameter...  your second sub could be 2 meters....
> 
> Ian.
> 
> On Thu, 16 Jan 2003 00:08:05 +0800
> "Warrend Greenway" <dub@linuxmail.org> wrote:
> 
> > If this bolt together systems works out then Carsten's idea of
> > uneven lengths becomes perfect. We would have around a 4 meter
> > "main" section with the conning tower. Then you could either bolt
> > on end-cap sections or extensions to the hull, either way you get
> > exactly the length you want. It would be nice if towing behind an
> > SUV wasn't a concern, but it is. I would get a Dodge and have
> > 10,000lbs towing capacity, but that is not going to be a popular
> > solution. "By a real truck for your PSUB!" Right.
> >
> > Warren.
> >
> > > The wish list looks like it's coming along well.  I like the "Required "
> > > list especially, but I think the size is getting a little large for
> > > something that will actually get built?
> > >
> > > Maybe one of the first things that should be considered is, are we looking
> > > to design a sub that can be trailered behind a standard sized SUV or pickup
> > > truck, or one that requires more to move it.  Establish the displacement
> > > constraints rather then the details.
> > >
> > > Establishing a realistic budget may do well early on too.  It's probably the
> > > main reason there aren't a flood of Psubs in the water already.
> > > Keep in mind, every square center meter of volume adds to both cost and
> > > weight.
> > >
> > > My hat is off to Carstan for the project he has taken on, but reality is, I
> > > know he's way out of my league.
> > >
> > > Dan H.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Coalbunny" <coalbunny@vcn.com>
> > > To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:40 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] OSS spec sheet
> > >
> > >
> > > > I don't know what value this would be to the PSUB project, but this is
> > > > what I have so far-
> > > >
> > > > 1. Length:  "Around" 10 meters
> > > > 2. Beam: 2-2.5 meters
> > > > 3. Speed:  unknown
> > > > 4. Depth:  50 meters
> > > > 5. Duration:  24 hours
> > > > 6. Cost: unknown
> > > > 7. Capacity:  3-4 passengers
> > > > 8. Other:  Optional electronics package
> > > >            Life support system
> > > >            Optional bow view port
> > > >            Optional fiberglass fairings
> > > >            Required analog/mechanical gauges
> > > >            Required auxillary electrical
> > > >            Required steel pressure hull
> > > >            Required drop ballast
> > > >            Required "trimable" ballast
> > > >            Required PWM speed control(?)
> > > >
> > > > I'm not really certain what the specs would be for speed.
> > > > Carl
> > > >
> > > > --
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> > > > it gives to a question of yours, or the question it asks you, forcing
> > > > you to answer, like Thebes through the mouth of the Sphinx." -- Kublai
> > > > Khan
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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"You delight not in a city's seven or seventy wonders, but in an answer
it gives to a question of yours, or the question it asks you, forcing
you to answer, like Thebes through the mouth of the Sphinx." -- Kublai
Khan