Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Getting Respect

[Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM>]

Hi Ricci,

Your pictures are posted at http://www.psubs.org/pic/ricci_dustin.html

Regards,
Ray

> Date: Tue, 10 Sep 2002 09:12:41 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Ricci Dustin <riccidustin@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Getting Respect
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> 
> Gentleman;
> Thank you for your feedback regarding
> acrylic/scrubbers. I had a very interesting meeting
> with Will Konen engineer and builder of the Seamobile
> submarine. Will revealed to me that early on in his
> effort to procure parts for his first submarine a
> supplier of custom acrylics did not even respond to
> his bid request! (just another wacko submarine
> project). To Will's credit this did not deter him. He
> now builds his own proprietary acrylic sphere that
> meets ABS requirements at 1/3 the cost! He does offer
> this service to others as well. As a side note an
> "employee" at the company contacted him after seeing
> some press on his completed submarine. The "employee"
> was curious as to why he hadn't explored working with
> his company!!!! 
> 
> Pardon me if I sound like a commercial but after my
> visit at the Seamagine Hydrospace headquarters I came
> to realize that the psub they manufacture is nothing
> short of incredible. The engineering features and
> innovations make this the most practical, insurable,
> ABS, and Coast Guard approved psub on the market! It
> handles like a car and is extremely stable. Test drive
> it anytime either in Cayman, or Catalina during the
> summer tourist season! I sent some pictures to Ray
> that were taken at depth from inside the pressure
> hull. He may be posting them soon.
> Best regards;
> Ricci
>  
> --- Mark Steed <plutomark@mail.astate.edu> wrote:
> > Excellent-Well put.    Mark Steed
> > 
> > 
> > ---------- Original Message
> > ----------------------------------
> > From: Dan h <machine@epix.net>
> > Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Date:  Tue, 10 Sep 2002 08:56:15 -0400
> > 
> > >Finding people to take us seriously and give us and
> > our projects the
> > >respect we think we deserve isn't always easy. The
> > discussion on dealing
> > >with suppliers of view ports is a great example. 
> > It's a frustration, I
> > >know, from both sides.
> > >
> > >Sometimes it's hard to get a supplier to take you
> > seriously.  I hate to
> > >say, but I know I'm guilty of glossing over some
> > requests put to me that
> > >I see as "never gonna materialize" also.  There are
> > two separate reasons
> > >this happens in my shop.
> > >
> > >One, I try to screen the end use of what I am asked
> > to produce as to my
> > >liability level verses dollar gain.  That is to
> > say, if I can generate a
> > >thousand dollars producing hooks for hanging
> > harmless laundry bags ten
> > >inches off the floor, why get involved with
> > producing hooks for bungy
> > >cords, hanging people a hundred feet off the
> > ground?  I have equal gain
> > >with either job.
> > >
> > >Second, am I getting involved with a job that the
> > customer doesn't have
> > >a clear cut idea of his needs?  He may think he
> > does, but, do I think he
> > >does?  These are usually the cases where I get a
> > lot of time involved
> > >and the job doesn't materialize anyway.  It doesn't
> > materialize because
> > >the customer, not knowing what he's asking for,
> > isn't prepared for the
> > >price tag to get what he actually needs and in a
> > way I feel safe making
> > >it for him.
> > >
> > >As most of you that are actually building a sub
> > have probably already
> > >found out, sometimes you get better results if you
> > don't even mention
> > >the word "submarine" unless it's really pertinent
> > to your request.
> > >Sometimes to much information just clouds the
> > water.  Convey only what
> > >you need to and with the confidence your potential
> > supplier needs to
> > >hear.
> > >
> > >My point is, do your homework.  Know what you
> > actually need.  Sometimes
> > >it's good to contact a supplier that you don't
> > think you want to use
> > >anyway, just to gain knowledge and experience from
> > someone in that
> > >field.  Approach it like going on a job interview
> > where you don't care
> > >about actually getting the job.  After all, when
> > dealing with anyone, to
> > >gain credibility, we first must learn how to best
> > sell ourselves.
> > >
> > >Credentials may be required in some situations, I
> > realize that, but if
> > >you did your homework and sell your request, you
> > should be able to find
> > >someone to look things over and stamp the papers.
> > >
> > >Food for thought, Dan H.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >  
> > 
> >                    
> 
> 
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