Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: N/A

[Ray Keefer <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM>]

Ok Gentlemen,

Since Standard AND Metric systems will exist together for at least my
lifetime. You are going to have to just deal with it.

Please take any further discussion offline.

Regards,
Ray

> Date: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 19:25:42 -0600
> From: Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com>
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> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: N/A
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> Rob, perhaps people would have more respect for the environmental
> community if representatives, such as yourself, could present themselves
> without violence, threat or PROFANITY.  Not all French are bad.
> Carl
> 
> 
> Rob Innes wrote:
> > 
> > Right on Roger! Screw those French Bastards! I'm still mad about them 
sinking our Greenpeace flagship; the Rainbow Warrior. They blew a metric sized 
hole in her side. Incidentally, I'm diving on the wreck when I go back to New 
Zealand in January so I can check out the damage first hand. If we claim to be 
waging a war on Terror, let's start with the French!
> > 
> > Rob
> > 
> > ps. Rebuttal's welcome
> > 
> > rjune@fuse.net wrote:
> > 
> > > OK TIME FOR YOU TO GET OF YOUR HIGH HORSE
> > >
> > > Unbelievably, the silly dispute over the metric system still exists. Given 
the particulars of the development and spread of the French system of 
measurement, any individual easily realizes the total absurdity of the metric 
system.
> > >
> > >     Consider how the French of the 1700's were so intent on making an 
exact, standard measurement that could be replicated. They insisted on finding a 
standard in nature that would be unchanging for the base of the metric system. 
So the brilliant French scientists decided on measuring the length of an arc of 
a meridian that reaches from the North Pole to the Equator to determine the base 
of the new measuring system. The meter supposedly equals one ten-millionth the 
length of this quadrant. Yeah well, that is just plain bogus. The French 
scientists made two huge mistakes: first, the meridian is neither uniform nor 
unchanging and second, they screwed up with their complicated measurements and 
were actually 30 meters off. Consequently, the French's beloved metric system is 
actually solely based on a platinum bar made to the incorrect specifications of 
their measurements of a changing item of nature. Regardless of these glaring 
errors, the French made the metric system law o!
> n !
> !
> Ap!
> > ri!
> > > l 7, 1795. Apparently, they were desperate to adopt a system of weights 
and measures. French politicians and scientists had been working for at least 
500 years by this time to organize a uniform system of measurement. The French 
General Assembly of 1302 first articulated their desired measuring conspiracy 
with their distasteful motto: "One King, one Law, one Weight, one Measure." In 
1790, Charles-Maurice de Talleyrand, a member of France's Constituent Assembly, 
succeeded in persuading the French Academy of Sciences which claimed 
representatives from Spain, Italy, the Netherlands, Denmark, and Switzerland to 
accept the metric system. Talleyrand wanted to do this because he believed if 
other countries helped to establish the metric system, then they would be more 
likely to adopt it themselves. Luckily, England declined the invitation and 
saved us from total measuring conformity directed by the French.
> > >
> > >     Although the metric system is slowly creeping into US culture, we have 
stood up to the French more than most other nations. Even though our monetary 
system is decimal and many stuffy old scientists may prefer the grams and 
meters, the US luckily retains her independence from the invasive French metric 
system.
> > > >
> > > > From: "Problah" <problah@zonenet.net>
> > > > Date: 2002/09/04 Wed PM 10:57:03 EDT
> > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: N/A
> > > >
> > > > Well it's not figuring out the fraction that's the problem, I just 
divide to
> > > > give me a decimal value (still in inches thoe) It's the standard system. 
It
> > > > started because American wanted to be so different from the country they
> > > > declared independance from that they even came up with a new form of
> > > > calculations. It sucks. Metric is so much easier, everything really 
should be
> > > > metric, everyone I've spoken to pretty much agrees except the hardcore
> > > > patriots. I just don't care for measuring something in fractions, 
converting
> > > > it to decimal, and then converting it to metric. It's pointless when the
> > > > whole world uses metric, and we are the only country who doesn't. It 
really
> > > > makes us and our equipment "Incompatible" in a sense. While I was 
building my
> > > > ROV I used standard, and now that most of the equipment I want to buy 
fits up
> > > > with metric, I now know what I'm going to use for my sub. It just makes 
it
> > > > that much more easier, you know?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Support your local zonenet
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > From: Coalbunny <coalbunny@vcn.com>
> > > > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > > > Sent: Thu, 05 Sep 2002 10:33:08 -0600
> > > > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: N/A
> > > >
> > > > > Did you know that five out of four people usually have problems with
> > > > > fraction?  So welcome to the club, man!
> > > > > Carl
> > > > >
> > > > > Problah wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I hate fractions. Metric blows away all other scales!!!!
> > > > > > Okay lessee. I'll give you my best estimate, but you're still going 
to
> > > > want
> > > > > > to dunk it. I'll just give you a max depth you can dunk it to if it 
hold
> > > > at
> > > > > > 165ft
> > > > > > .3125 inches.
> > > > > > doing it for .28125 to account for corrosion.
> > > > > > 18.75inches radius.
> > > > > > 120 inches long (hopefully that is between weld points.
> > > > > > .3 steel with a flexibility of 3E7
> > > > > > gives you:
> > > > > > 239 to 266 ft. Dramatic difference, don't you agree?
> > > > > > I think I may have not removed the ten percent from the original 
calc. I
> > > > > > never said I was a genius. heh, but regardless the original spec I 
gave
> > > > you
> > > > > > tells a different story now that you've sent me all the info. I 
always
> > > > > > recommend take half off of that for max operating depth. It's good 
to be
> > > > > > safe, and 110 feet is where you start really losing light in some 
waters
> > > > > > anyways.
> > > > > > Good luck with your project, and definately make sure to get the 
saturated
> > > > > > propane out of there, Temper it out if you have to, but that will 
change
> > > > your
> > > > > > flexibility, and 75 ft might be all you can really go.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Support your local zonenet
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > > > > > From: majerus@iowatelecom.net
> > > > > > To: <Personal_Submersibles@psubs.org>
> > > > > > Sent: Wed, 4 Sep 2002 17:44:38 -0500
> > > > > > Subject: N/A
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > The body is 37.5 inches round, 10 feet long, 5/16 thickness and
> > > > > > > mild steel
> > > > > > ------- End of Original Message -------
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend 
greatly
> > > > > on our own point of view."
> > > > > -Obi-Wan Kenobi, ROTJ
> > > > ------- End of Original Message -------
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Roger June
> > > REJ and Company
> > > rjune@fuse.net
> > > 513-300-1189
> 
> -- 
> You're going to find that many of the truths we cling to depend greatly
> on our own point of view."
> -Obi-Wan Kenobi, ROTJ