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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
I also agree with this idea. I am mostly just a sideliner, absorbing what
comes across this site. Not having the technical background that I have
seen demonstrated here time and again, a primer would be very useful. I
suspect that it would take a lot of effort to organize the links/ basic
info for a Psub primer. The great thing about divergent ideas is that you
wind up with subs like the Bionic Dolphin, and Captain Nemo's Nautilus, and
I see a lot of different ideas come across. Now, if I can just figure out
how to make a "beer Can" submarine...
Best Regards, Steve
tanstaafl!!!
At 09:48 AM 6/26/02 -0500, you wrote:
>I agree with Alec -
>What I would find useful is a diagram of how the valves are run, how to
>connect a simple circuit to run the motors, etc. The basic stuff that
>will serve at least as an introduction on how to proceed with building.
>
>Just my thoughts-
>Sincerely,
>Greg
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alec Smyth
>Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2002 8:44 AM
>To: 'personal_submersibles@psubs.org'
>Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>
>Pat, Ray,
>
>Actually it seems to me your differing views can be bridged quite
>easily.
>The guidelines could boil down to website enhancements aimed at
>answering
>just 4 questions, each with its own page or section on the site. Here's
>how
>it might go:
>
>1) What type of sub do you want?
>Review wet vs dry, ambient vs 1 ATM, unusual designs
>Links: Sample subs of each type.
>
>2) Do I have what it takes to build a sub?
>Review of skills, tools, sample times and costs.
>Links: This could link to a nice photo-diary of a sample project. Dale
>and
>John's spring to mind.
>
>3) Do I have what it takes to develop my own design?
>Review of knowledge areas and calculations to be performed.
>Links:
>
>- For those feeling qualified, we could list standard references such as
>PVHO, Busby, etc. Of course we shouldn't reinvent the wheel by
>re-writing
>equivalent texts, and we cannot post the existing ones online due to
>copyright issues, but you can still save someone years of research just
>by
>presenting the calculations to be done and pointing to helpful sources.
>
>- For those NOT feeling qualified, refer to Kittredge or Sportsub plans.
>
>
>I agree with Pat here there's no need to reinvent the wheel and provide
>a
>"sample design", because the Captain's existing plans are probably
>ideally
>suited for this. I am not sure, however, if the Kittredge plans also
>include the calculations behind them. If not so, you might one day
>enhance
>this section with a sample set of calculations. I have seen some of
>Kittredge's calculations and they were free-hand on notepaper, which
>leads
>me to believe they are probably not included with the plans.
>
>And then finally, no matter what people think of all the preceding
>questions, there is a last one if they are still with us:
>
>4) What does it take to operate safely?
>Review of safe test and operational practices.
>
>Links: Accident reports.
>
>I'm thinking the above could never be interpreted as limiting anyone's
>creativity, nor morph into government regulation of any sort. However,
>it
>would still help newcomers get a grasp when they stumble across PSUBS
>but
>are still thinking in terms of blowing ballast with propane. Its really
>just a fancy FAQ section on the PSUBS website.
>
>cheers,
>
>Alec
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ray Keefer [mailto:Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM]
>Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2002 8:46 PM
>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>
>
>Hi Pat,
>
>> From: "Captain Nemo" <vulcania@hawaii.rr.com>
>> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>> Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2002 01:24:15 -1000
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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Ray Keefer" <Ray.Keefer@Sun.COM>
>> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> Sent: Monday, June 24, 2002 2:16 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] SUBSAFE
>>
>>
>> >(SNIP) After they fish some what-a-be Nemo from the bottom...(SNIP)
>>
>> Ray,
>>
>> "What-a-be?" Don't you mean "wannabe"? As in, a guy who wants to be
>a
>> biker, but only has a Harley T-shirt? Or a guy who wants to be a
>subber,
>> but never had a sub?
>>
>
>Yes, that is what I meant.
>
>>
>> >and find a printout from personal_submersibles@psubs.org in their
>shop we
>> > are going to get creamed. Maybe not through legistration but
>certainly a
>> > civil suite of some sort.
>>
>> Good point. I choose to avoid any such potential for liability.
>Please
>do
>> not use any of my writings in your book.
>
>Would you also like me to flush all references of you from PSUBS? I hate
>to
>say it Pat but you are all over the archives. :)
>
>Actually I would just shut down the site. How is that
>for a solution? How many PSUBers, even subbers, will ever realize their
>dream then?
>
>
>>
>> Thanks for understanding.
>>
>> Pat
>>
>>
>
>Seems to me your point of view is to share informatin
>to avoid being accused of giving anyone bad information.
>
>On the other hand I want to give enough to prevent a death. Hmmm,
>lawyers
>verses ethics.
>
>I started PSUBS, and stuck with it, to encourage the latter point of
>view.
>Pat you can help or not that is your choice.
>
>Regards,
>Ray
>
>