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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hot-galvanize stainless steel ?



What's wrong with just using a sacrificial anode on your drop weight? So
long as you keep it active, shouldn't that prevent your corrosion
problem?
Ron


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Carsten
Standfuß
Sent: January 24, 2002 9:56 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hot-galvanize stainless steel ?


Alec - during diving in the baltic I found the wreck of a 
modern sailboat maybe just 2 years underwater. 
I salvage a rigging terminal made from unpainted stainless steel. 
It has very bad big corrosion holes in many parts.. 

Is there a material I can put between the both - key and hole 
which is : 
- not metal 
- can be loaded with the weight pressure of the keel 
  (load area is 3600 mm2 with a load of 3 N/mm2) 
- is just 1-2 mm in tickness ? 

see you - Carsten

Alec Smyth schrieb:
> 
> Carsten, maybe I'm misunderstanding it, but as I understand your 
> description you would have:
> 
> - A stainless shaft (or "key")
> - A stainless insert for it welded into a dropweight of plain steel
> 
> If you galvanize the drop weight (with the insert already welded of 
> course) then the key and the key-hole would be of different metals so 
> the corrosion problem would be worse than if they were both just SS. 
> Wouldn't it be enough to just paint the drop weight like the rest of 
> the sub for corrosion protection purposes, but leave the key-hole 
> unpainted? If you wanted to get really fancy, you could sleeve the 
> shaft in plastic like nylon or teflon, to prevent it from sticking 
> after a year in the water.
> 
> rgds,
> 
> - Alec
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: MerlinSub@t-online.de [mailto:MerlinSub@t-online.de]
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2002 11:49 AM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hot-galvanize stainless steel ?
> 
> "Dan H." schrieb:
> >
> > Carsten,
> >
> > Why not just weld in a stainless steel plate with your key way 
> > already in it into a hole cut in your steel weights.  Instead of 
> > cutting out the key in the actual steel weight, weld in a piece of 
> > stainless for the key to fit into.
> 
> That it exact was I want to do. Maybe my description was a little 
> short.
> 
> > Even if you had the whole thing galvanized and it didn't take well 
> > to the stainless it wouldn't matter.  Actually, the part of the key 
> > way in contact with the key will probably wear through the galvanize

> > in time anyway just from rocking back and forth in use, won't it?
> 
> That is exact the question - would the galvanize hold on the stainless
> - or not ? I think that if the zinc gives way from the key-hole - we 
> have a direkt contact from two parts of Stainless steel with a very 
> little gap filled with saltwater between them - all the time in 
> seawater - maybe
> the hole year. That should generate maybe a corrosion problem - and if
> one of the key-hole surface has to much structure on it - the key will
> not turn.
> 
> Maybe it would be better to make the key-hole-plate  from normal 
> carbon steel. I am not affraid that the zinc gives way during "Using 
> the key". If I use it - the drop weights gives way and the sub is not 
> longer able to dive - so the weight will be lost and will not 
> repaint..
> 
> >
> > Just a question; why didn't you use lead for your drop weight?  
> > There's so much more weight for the area it takes up.  A ton of old 
> > tire weights doesn't make that big of a pile.
> >
> Maybe I will do it - a drop weight build from 1/3 inch strong steel 
> plates as a box - and than filled with lead. It will be depents on the

> final weight calclulation - some month before CSSX contact the water 
> in our river.
> 
> Carsten
> 
> > Dan H.
> >
> > Carsten Standfuß wrote:
> >
> > > Hi submadmans and ironheads,
> > >
> > > One question about metalurgy :
> > >
> > > Is it possible to Hot-galvanize stainless steel ?
> > >
> > > I want to build the drop-weights from normal mild
> > > and cheap steel and hot-galvanize it.
> > > The release-key will be made from stainless steel (SS).
> > >
> > > For the reason that the welded key-hole inside the dropweight can 
> > > be made easy from the same plate as the key and with the same 
> > > waterjet cut - I ask this unuseual question.
> > >
> > > drawing without scale : (and below 40 KB :-) )
> > >
> > > I = Stainless steel release key
> > > O = Stainless s. hot galv.? key hole
> > > = = mild steel hot galv.drop weight
> > >
> > > _____________________________________
> > >
> > >                  IIIIIIIturn90°
> > >                  I
> > >     =========    I    ========
> > >    ==========OOO I OOO==========
> > >   ===========  IIIII  ===========
> > >
> > > _________________________CS-1/2002___
> > >
> > > And please - I know that a full SS drop weight will fit the 
> > > problem.. .. but I have three weights of 1,3 ts - means it 
> > > generate another one..
> > >
> > > regards - Carsten