[PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople

Sun Jul 17 19:24:09 EDT 2016

While I can not speak with specificity to regulations in countries other
than the United States, here a personal submersible needs to be registered
just like any other private watercraft (with the notable exceptions being
non-powered [bells] or human-powered subs). I'd imagine that the laws are
similar in many other countries though - as soon as a vessel is
mechanically powered it has to be registered.

As far as certification, the K-350 design is certified by both Lloyds and
Nippon, But most sub owners don't worry about becoming certified because of
the costs involved with testing/inspection. An actual certification is only
"valuable" when you plan to put the sub to work commercially (at least
that's my understanding - it's a pretty costly procedure). For private use
no certification should be necessary. ~ Doug S.

On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 5:11 PM, Kamil Żebrowski <
personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:

> The ¤20,000 is a acceptable cost. Your idea is pretty good, it is really
> good to hear a advice from more experience person. And one more question,
> this kind of sub need to register or certificated, yes?
>
> 2016-07-17 21:58 GMT+02:00 Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <
> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>:
>
>> That's a good question, but one that's hard to nail down just the same.
>> It very much depends on the skills you currently have and the machinery
>> available to you. If you are a fabricator with decent skills and a "fully
>> loaded" machine shop, you could probably do a K-350 for $12,000 - $20,000
>> (depending on local availability of steel and your thriftiness in buying
>> other parts). If you lack fab skills/access to a shop you will need to hire
>> some of the work out and this will increase the cost of the build
>> significantly (perhaps to the $35,000 - $50,000 range).
>>
>> Any way you slice it, if you are building a sub it's going to mean some
>> combination of sweat and money. In my opinion the best thing to do is split
>> the project into several stages - like Pressure hull, Ballasting system,
>> Propulsion, Cabin, Exterior - Then start with basic pressure hull and don't
>> worry about anything else until the basic pressure hull is complete. Just
>> my idea... Doug S.
>>
>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 2:27 PM, Kamil Żebrowski <
>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I am sound like a newbie. So the best starting point is K-250, K-350?
>>> What is a cost of K-350? Douglas thank you for advice.
>>>
>>> 2016-07-17 20:23 GMT+02:00 Douglas Suhr via Personal_Submersibles <
>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>:
>>>
>>>> Kamil, a visit to subs in your general area is a great idea if you can
>>>> find the time to slip away. 'Manned Submersibles' is an awesome resource as
>>>> well, kudos to you for your willingness to do research prior to starting
>>>> your first build.
>>>>
>>>> Without trying to sound discouraging, I want to say that to me, the
>>>> goals you outlined in a previous email seem quite ambitious. If you have
>>>> the financial means, time/space and necessary fabrication skills, anything
>>>> is possible, but for many of us, we're on a "budget" when it comes to all
>>>> of those things, so you may find that your dream sub is not practical as a
>>>> first build. In my opinion, a K-350 would be a great project for you to
>>>> start with, then work your way to a larger sub. Just my thoughts... Doug
>>>> S.
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, Jul 17, 2016 at 7:16 AM, MerlinSub at t-online.de via
>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Description fits 100% on Emiles - Nordicsub. vbr Carsten
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>>>>>
>>>>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople
>>>>>
>>>>> Datum: 2016-07-16T23:43:12+0200
>>>>>
>>>>> Von: "Kamil Żebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <
>>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> And I see that Emilie have an option on the website to sale a plan for
>>>>> a sub. I will check that.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2016-07-16 23:39 GMT+02:00 Kamil Żebrowski <zebros512 at gmail.com>:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for a lot of information, You have a right that I should
>>>>>> make trip like this,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hmm, as i thinking about requirement list it is simply:
>>>>>> 3 person sound great,
>>>>>> dive deep 200m
>>>>>> seas and lakes,
>>>>>> best will be undependly.
>>>>>> Easy to write hard to make.I started read a book Manned Submerisble,
>>>>>> maybe it will help something.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Kamil
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2016-07-16 19:11 GMT+02:00 MerlinSub at t-online.de via
>>>>>> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi Kamil, welcome here. Not so so Much Psubers in Europe.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is a another two seater in Potsdam near Berlin. Reinhards Nemo
>>>>>>> II.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And yes one one man and one fife man in Rostock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Before you build something in real steel maybe go Berlin - Rostock
>>>>>>> - Amsterdam to get some input.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Just to purchase some drawings and than convert to someting else
>>>>>>> make not so much sence for a custom build.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> First step should be a requirement list.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> How many persons ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Which range in which time?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Dive deep.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Seaworthy or lakes, co caves or all?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Undependly orwith a support boat ?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And so on. A sub for the baltic will look complete different from a
>>>>>>> cave diver.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Berlin:Reinhards 2 Seater with saddle tanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gf4DS0r6n44
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Rostock:My boats.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One man 0,5 t with sadlle tanks and for sale,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> second unita is a 70ts Offhsore with diver chamber and for and aft
>>>>>>> tanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaTaWY0dhg
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRv2Ri4FmiY
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Near Amsterdam:  Emiles 3 Seater with Saddle tanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B2975eaBmYs
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On a 1-3 Seater I prefer sattle tanks. Boat gets shorter length
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and much mors stable on the surface with persons on the deck. .
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There is another boat near Hannover: Lars Boat Comet
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jKgKKrghP5g
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Vbr Carsten Rostock.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -----Original-Nachricht-----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Betreff: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub for 2 pexople
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Datum: 2016-07-16T14:09:38+0200
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Von: "Kamil Żebrowski via Personal_Submersibles" <
>>>>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> An: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <
>>>>>>> personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yea, I am from Poland. Nice to know, i will contact with him. Thanks
>>>>>>> for info. It will be good opportiunity to check how it looks like to dive;)
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