[PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub
hank pronk via Personal_Submersibles
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Wed Jan 7 08:32:26 EST 2015
Alec,
Hmmm, we are left be being detectives are we.:-) The sub must be quite long with a snuggly 31 in dia,and a weight of 4500 lbs. I sure like the all SS or plastic.
Hank
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On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org> wrote:
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Alec's new sub
To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 10:34 PM
At the convention if it happens here!
I'm thinking of a social event. I'll give you a few random
high level attributes...
The main cylinder came from my old project sub "Solo",
shortened a little. It's good for 1000 feet but only for
skinny people at 31" OD.
The CT is from PC-1402.
The hatch is PC1402 design, but newly made by Emile.
Four fixed MK-101s, jettisonable and oil compensated by a
new method, not the little wound-around hoses like Snoopy.
Bow dome.
Snoopy method of VBT floats but with way more of them.
Every part other than the pressure hull proper is either 316
SS or plastic. Every last little bracket, including inside.
I hate rust.
The stern... The stern... You will just have to wait for
that one. I suspect one and only one person will love
it. It's guaranteed to be different, I'll just say
that.
The objective is for a 2 person boat that weighs less than
4500 lbs and launches at very shallow boat ramps, but which
is practical in open water with 30" freeboard and an actual
deck. Air tanks and VBT floats are replaceable without
putting a diver in the water.
The design philosophy is a search for radical simplicity. I
want to ship this one around the world to interesting
places, and cannot in those situations find myself lacking a
spare part or the sub would become a giant paperweight. Thus
the whole thing has very, very few parts, minimal
electronics, components as accessible as possible, etc.
Thanks,
Alec
> On Jan 6, 2015, at 6:20 PM, hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
wrote:
>
> Alec,
> When are you going to show us some pictures of your new
build. Perhaps even a teaser.
> Hank
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> On Tue, 1/6/15, Private via Personal_Submersibles
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
wrote:
>
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 6:13 PM
>
> Hank,
>
> Ha, I think I know that GPR is actually "GRP". But
that's
> about the extent of it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Alec
>
>
>
>> On Jan 6, 2015, at 4:45 PM, hank pronk via
> Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Alec,
>> I had concerns about the GPR hull, only because I
have
> no clue about GPR hulls. I though a new hull with
CT
> would be the ticket. The domes rest right on the
hull(
> over 2in thick GPR) It would be a
pretty
> simple hull to build. A 32in dia tube with some
> external rings and your away. I actually saw this
sub
> in Nelson BC Canada about 20 years ago. I drove 5 hr
one way
> to see it, they bought it to do log salvage. My
> brother and I were already salvaging the logs they
were
> after :-)
>> Hank-------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, Alec Smyth via
Personal_Submersibles
> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>> To: "Personal Submersibles General Discussion"
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015, 3:16 PM
>>
>> Scott,
>> this does not look like it could do any surface run
to
> speak
>> of. Methinks you'd need a real surface ship. When
you
>> and Hank come BACK from Tenerife I'll tag along!
>> Best,
>>
>> Alec
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 3:04
>> PM, swaters at waters-ks.com
>> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> wrote:
>> Ok. Thanks
>> Hank.Scott
>> Waters
>>
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>> Date:01/06/2015 12:46 PM
>> (GMT-06:00)
>> To: Personal Submersibles
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>> Subject: Re:
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>> I lost the pics in a pc
>> problem You can contact Alan at
> Silvercrest, he was the
>> agent. If you want to go to Tenerife to see
it I
> will tag
>> along.
>> Hank--------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
>> via Personal_Submersibles <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>> To: "Personal
>> Submersibles General Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6,
2015, 1:36 PM
>>
>> That
>> might
>> be a possability! Do you have any pics of her? My
goal
>> is 1000 meters or deeper, but
depends on what
>> options come
>> up.Thanks,Scott Waters
>>
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>> From: hank pronk via
Personal_Submersibles
>>
>> Date:01/06/2015 12:25
PM (GMT-06:00)
>>
>> To: Personal Submersibles General
>> Discussion
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
>> Leo
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>> I don't know how deep you want
>> to go and how much effort
>> you want to put
>> in,,,,,but there is the Wrangler sub in
>>
>> Tenerife Spain. The Wrangler is GPR with two
> 34in
>> domes, one at each end. One
end opens as
>> the
>> hatch. My idea was to
replace the
>> hull with 516-70
>> steel with a CT. It had
>> a deal worked out at 50K
>> landed in
>> Vancouver. I think she can do 2,000 feet.
>>
>> Hank
> --------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, hank pronk via
>> Personal_Submersibles
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>> To: "Personal
>> Submersibles General Discussion"
>>
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Received: Tuesday, January 6, 2015,
> 1:12
>> PM
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>> Did he say where
>> and how deep?
>>
>> Hank--------------------------------------------
>> On Tue, 1/6/15, swaters at waters-ks.com
>> via Personal_Submersibles
>>
>> <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Leo
>> To:
>> "Personal Submersibles General
>>
>> Discussion" <personal_submersibles at psubs.org>
>> Received: Tuesday, January
6, 2015, 10:57
>> AM
>>
>> An
>> update on Leo. Silvercrest
claims she was
>> sunk in
>> deep
>> water
>> after a insurance claim
some time
>> ago. Thanks,Scott
>>
>> Waters
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>> Subject: Re:
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>> It would surely be nice to
find
>> Leo. I'd go into hock again
for that
>> one, just
>> for old
>>
>> time's sake. That notwithstanding, I'm
>> virtually
>> certain that
>> those particular hull(s) were built of
>>
>> A516Gr70, like most of the boats of the day (and
most
>> of
>> the
>>
>> boats out of Nuytco currently, or at least the
ones
>> without
>> cyrillic
>> operating manuals).
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I don't remember how thick the steel
>>
>> was, but it was definitely made from
> standard stuff.
>> Plus,
>> the main viewport
>> was 4 FEET in diameter!!! Diving
>> that
>> thing was seriously
awesome. She had
> plenty
>> of room
>> for
>> two
>> (or enough for three good
friends) and
> that
>> huge
>> picture
>> window in
>> the front.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> If Hyco had survived (Leo
was their
>> last
>> P-style boat) I'm betting
there
>> would be more of
>> them
>>
>> out there. It was a serious attempt at Perry's
>> stranglehold on the shallow
water market
>> (shallow by
>> comparison) and I think it
>> was a really good try.
>> Sadly,
>> it
>> all fell apart before
>> we could really show her
>> off.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> We did all the deepwater pilot
> training
>>
>> in her down on the Flower Gardens,
and
> had a ball.
>> These
>> days, she'd be
>> even better, because the
>> subsystems and
>> propulsion gear is so much
better. That
> sub
>> was rated
>> for
>> 2000
>> feet, which ain't bad. How about that
>>
>> for an option,
>> Scott?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> No fancy steel. Huge
>> viewport. 600
>> meters. What could be better? A 6 1/2
>>
>> foot
>> sphere displaces less than
6-tons.
>> Add a pair of
>> uncle
>>
>> Phil's aluminum pods in back with a block of foam
>> to
>> support them. Fair the
>> thing like a fat tadpole. You
>> could
>> probably hold it down to 7,
maybe 7 1/2
>> tons.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Leo weighs 10. Most of the
P-boats
>> weigh
>> that, and a good bit more.
Yours
>> would be a
>> lightweight
>>
>> compared to them, a whole lot cheaper to build,
more
>> agile,
>> easier to
>> maintain..... The list goes on. What could
>>
>> be
>> better? Damn, I want one!!!
It would
>> be perfect for
>> my
>>
>> neck
>> of the woods.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subject:
>> Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
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>>
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>>
>>
>> Thanks for the info
>> Phil. I keep running into the
>> same
>> problems of the material
and building of
>> the
>> personel
>> sphere.
>>
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
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>> From: Phil Nuytten via
>> Personal_Submersibles
>>
>> Date:01/05/2015 8:44
PM
> (GMT-06:00)
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>> To: Personal
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>> Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, Guys, and Happy
>> New Year to all loyal
>> subbers!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Glad to shed some little
light on the
>> Pisces
>> subs
>> . .We
>> (Nuytco) have
>> four Hyco boats –
>> 2/8/10 and Aquarius, P-4 and P-5
>> are
>> in
>> Hawaii at HURL
>> (Hawaii
>> Underwater Research Lab)
–
>> they are out of
>> service,
>>
>> currently and may be sold
>> off if no
>> funding is forthcoming. I hope not,
>>
>> because
>> Terry
>> Kerby
>> and his crew
>> rebuilt them into the
>> cream of the Pisces crop! There
>> are
>> two Pisces boats in
>>
>> Russia, one operational and one in a museum (or,
>> actually
>> ,
>>
>> outside a museum).
>> Pisces –1, is
>> in the UK, last seen, it was in
>> parts.
>> Likewise, P-6
>> is in
>> parts (the stern sphere was lost in the sinking
>> of
>> IUC’s vessel
>> ‘Aloha’)
>> and what’s left is in
>> New York as Vance mentions. I
>> cut
>> a
>> deal with my old
>> friend Andre Galerne
(before his
>> untimely
>> death) to
>> have
>> first dibs on
>> buying P-6 to go into the
>> ‘working sub’
>> Hyco/Pisces
>> display section at our
>>
>> long-awaited ‘Deep Discovery Centre’ diving
>> technology
>> museum. His
>> sons, Lionel
>> and Eric were kind enough
>> to honour Andre’s
>> wishes
>> and we will arrange
>>
>> shipment to the west coast when the weather gets
>> better.
>> Would appreciate
>> it if
>> you would steer clear of
this one
>> – we do plan to
>> rebuild
>> to the same condition
>>
>> as P-4 and P-5. That leaves one unaccounted for .
.
>> ‘Leo’ – I heard some
years
>> ago that it was for sale
(cheap) but have
>> no idea
>> what
>> ultimately
>> happened to
>> it. Maybe ask at
>> Silvercrest? About all you will be
>> able
>> to
>> use from the P-boats
>>
>> now is the personnel sphere
– you’d
>> probably be
>> better
>> off
>> building one from
>> scratch if you want a
>> thousand feet or less – after
>> the
>> first thou, the spheres
>>
>> get much more expensive.
>>
>>
>> Reagards
>>
>>
>>
>> Phil
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> From: mailto:personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>
>>
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>>
>> Sent: Monday,
>> January 05, 2015 4:43 PM
>>
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>> To: Personal
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>> Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Ok. Thanks Vance. I will see what
> turns up.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Date:01/05/2015 6:34
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>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re:
>> [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> International Underwater
>> Contractors. When Andre
Galern was alive,
>> it was one
>> of
>> THE
>> deep diving
>>
>> construction companies in the world. No idea
>> what's
>> happened up
>> there in the
>> last few years. Best to
>> ask Dr. Phil that one, too.
>> He
>> knew/knows all those
>>
>> guys.
>>
>> Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Sent: Mon, Jan 5, 2015
>>
>> 6:37 pm
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>> Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vance,
>>
>>
>>
>> Forgive me, but what is IUC in New York? I should
>> probably know this. Haha.
>>
>> I figure it's worth at least trying.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Sent from my U.S.
>>
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>> Date:01/05/2015 3:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
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>> To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Anything is possible,
Scott.
>> SIlvercrest will skin you
alive, given
> half
>> an
>> opportunity.
>> Or at
>> least they'll
>> try. You have to be
>> willing to wrangle with them. I
>>
>> don't think they'll respect
>>
>> anyone who doesn't. Maybe Phil has an extra one
>> laying
>> around. I've
>> never asked.
>> You could do a lot worse,
>> if the hulls are
>> salvageable.
>> There are four pressure
>>
>> vessels (except on Leo). The
personnel
> sphere, an
>> aft
>> floatation sphere, and
>> the
>> two 32" forward VBTs
>> (that's what is under
>> the
>> fiberglas brow that makes
the P
>> boats so distinctive. And
the boats weigh
>> from ten
>> to
>> twelve
>> tons, depending.
>> Just
>> in case you want to check your air-ride flatbeds
>> for
>> load capability. The
>>
>> P-VI was the most perfect
hull Hyco
>> ever did--it was
>> fabricated in Jacques
>>
>> Piccard's shop in
Switzerland under
>> contract, and
>> was
>> lap
>> finished, as I
>> understand it--both
>> inside and out. Lovely thing,
>> P-VI. I
>> remember her well.
>>
>> Maybe it could be had, if IUC hasn't rolled it
>> out into
>> a dumpster. That
>> might
>> be another question for our
Dr.
>> Phil, as I have zero
>> contacts up that
>> way
>> anymore. Keep me in mind.
I'll
>> happily spin a
>> wrench for
>>
>> you anytime on one of
>> those.
>>
>> Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Pisces
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Excellent info
>> Vance! Thank you so much. I was
>> hopeing
>> to locate one and
>>
>> maybe do a major overhaul / restoration on one
rather
>> than
>> try to build a 1000m
>>
>> boat from scratch. Any more
pointers
>> would be
>> awesome.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>> Scott Waters
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> Subject: Re:
[PSUBS-MAILIST] Pisces
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> P-I Scrapped out by
>>
>> Vickers
>>
>> P-II
>> Rumored
>> to be in a Miami storage
unit
>> (unconfirmed)
>>
>>
>> P-III ?
>>
>>
>> P-IV In Hawaii and
>> in service (but stony
broke, I hear)
>>
>>
>>
>> P-V
>> Ditto
>>
>> P-VI
>> IUC warehouse in
>> New York, maybe parted
>> out
>>
>>
>>
>> P-VII In a Russian
>> museum (Sevastopol, I
>> think)
>>
>>
>> P-VIII
>> Nuytco
>>
>>
>>
>> P-IX
>> Design
>> study
>> for Intersub (4K
>> meters, never
>> built)
>>
>> P-X
>> Nuytco
>>
>>
>> P-X11 Same as VII (flanking
the front
>> doors, last I
>> saw)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Plus Leo, which
>> was a big-window Pisces
>> style rated to
>> 2000'
>> which, along with P-VI and
>> Aquarius, are the only
>> Hyco
>> boats
>> that I qualified
>> on
>> and operated (although the
P-VI
>> experience was not a
>> good
>>
>> one for me or the
>> owners, either
>> one). I did participate in a Pisces V
>>
>> overhaul in Houston, but
>> I'm not
>> sure that counts except for the busted
>>
>> knuckles.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I think the boys at Silvercrest might
>>
>> have one of the question
>> marks, but
>> I'm not sure. Assuming they do, that
>>
>> leaves
>> one unaccounted for. I'm
>> betting Mr. Dr. Prof.
Nuytten would know.
>> As a side
>> note,
>> if
>> you look at the
>> Mirs,
>> you will see where they sprang from. They are
>> Pisces
>> boats on steroids.
>>
>> Those people worked at IUC
for a couple
>> of years and
>> operated P-VII and P-XII
>>
>> for years after that, then
took all
>> those dandy
>> ideas,
>>
>> added
>> a pile of rubles,
>> and built a couple of big
brawny kissing
>> cousins. Mir
>> 1
>> &
>> Mir 2, by name.
>> The Pisces subs were
>> pretty good for the day, but
>> maintenance
>> heavy. And rest
>> assured, you
>> haven't really lived until you have
>>
>> pulled
>> a Pisces battery box at
>> sea to change one cell.
What a job!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Vance
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Scott,
>>
>>
>>
>> Hawaii
>> undersea research lab on
Oahu has
>> two
>> subs.
>>
>>
>> One I know
>> is a Pisces & I believe
the
>> other is also.
>>
>>
>> I think
>> David Columbo has seen them
in the
>> last year,
>>
>>
>> he might
>> confirm.
>>
>>
>> They told me they were
>> losing
>> funding for operating them
>>
>>
>>
>> as Govt considered rovs were
>> better
>> value for money.
>>
>>
>>
>> Alan
>>
>>
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>> the Pisces submarines? I
believe there
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>> 10 built,
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>> think NOAA has one.
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>> Thanks,
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