[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

Wed Apr 9 13:33:00 EDT 2014

Scott thats excat the way to go. Big step for a man - but not
immpossible to reach.

"We are going to the moon, not because it is easy, but because it is
hard.."  

<swaters at waters-ks.com> schrieb: 
The good thing is I have a very capable shop now days. With every
process of welding available, robotic plasma cutting and design
software, a 8,000 crain/lift, metal lathe, hydrolic ban saw with
coolant, and about every tool anyone could want, it makes life a lot
easier. When I started my K-350 back 5 years ago I was a kid with a set
of blue prints and a goal of one day having a submarine and that's it. I
didn't know anything about submarines besides they used "ballast" to go
up and down. I didn't know how to weld at all or even knew what a metal
lathe was. And the only tools I had was a small tool bag with basic
stuff my dad had given me from our family hardware store as a graduation
present. The reason I don't want to build a 1000' sub is it is not a big
enough goal. I need something that is the difficulty level of starting
with nothing and no idea to a k-350. I compare a k-350 to a 1000m
(3300') sub with completely capable manipulator and tooling with very
advanced technology to be a similar difficulty level and step. I also
want to push the envelope for psubs about what we are capable of.
Combined we have so much knowledge that if we all worked together, we
could be producing ideas and inventions right up there with the big
dogs. Hope this helps with everyone understanding my vision

Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine
From: hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca>
Date: Wed, April 09, 2014 5:42 am
To: Personal Submersibles General Discussion
<personal_submersibles at psubs.org>

You can not make a comparison between what Karl built and what Scott
wants to build.  The two subs are totally different.  I could see
building Scott's dream sub for 125K if you have your own  pressure
vessel fab shop.  (maybe)  Otherwise it just isn't realistic for that
cost.  
I do not mean to imply that Scott or any other psub builder can not
build a k3000.  As a matter of fact with the proper budget and realistic
assessment of your abilities we can all do it.  
Hank
On Wednesday, April 9, 2014 5:06:52 AM, James Frankland
<jamesf at guernseysubmarine.com> wrote:

Scott,
Have a look at this. As long as your a student of something, somewhere,
your ok.  Join a local tiddlywinks class or something.

http://www.autodesk.com/education/free-software/inventor-professional

This is not too difficult to use.
Regards
James

On 9 April 2014 04:09, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built
my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I
hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I
did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and
4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add
more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000. 
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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hank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:

I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way.  Not if it is a professional
build, and it has to be.  If you do it right you can spend that to do
1,000 feet.  
Hank
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM, Douglas Suhr
<spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:

Wow! $125K for 2500  3000 feet? That's some serious dollar-to-fathom
value! 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a reality.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:

He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com>
wrote:

Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers, but I am
sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to
$35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests
(and perform them).  

I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be
a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I
would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is
then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent
building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure? 
Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my
head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing
CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce
ideas off of? 
I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall
psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like
sonar and manipulator arms and things.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:

Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest research).
Vance

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea?
Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi
capability?
Thanks,
Scott Waters

Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:

Scott,
in general people design their boats with a crush depth of
twice their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 x
there proposed maximum operating depth.
So design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.
Alan

From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org 
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I
am thinking.
1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of
difficulty as it was to build my first submarine
2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs
to be improved on in design and ability.
3) Learn to use CAD 
4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete

My initial goals are
1) Hold 3 people
2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less
3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)
4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator
arm and tooling
5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front

Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to
overcome? What complications am I not considering?

Thanks,
Scott Waters

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