[PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

Tue Apr 8 23:09:19 EDT 2014

I will do the work myself, and not hire it out professionally. I built my K-350 and it was $40,000 after all the gadgets were put in and I hired out alot of work because I didn't know how to do it at the time. I did a comparative analysis on weight to dollar. My K-350 at $40,000 and 4,500 lbs is comparative ofa 10,500 lb sub would be $93,333 if you add more for acrylic costs my rough math seems to jive with the $125,000. 
Thanks,
Scott Waters

Sent from my U.S. Cellular© Smartphonehank pronk <hanker_20032000 at yahoo.ca> wrote:I think that is a dream guys, 125K no way.  Not if it is a professional build, and it has to be.  If you do it right you can spend that to do 1,000 feet. 
Hank
On Tuesday, April 8, 2014 8:25:15 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:
Wow! $125K for 2500 − 3000 feet? That's some serious dollar-to-fathom value! 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 10:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
$125,000 is reachable for me. Sounds like this could be a reality.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
He said in an interview that Idabel cost $125,000.

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Douglas Suhr <spiritofcalypso at gmail.com> wrote:

Scott, I have no experience with any large pressure chambers, but I am sure you are talking well into the thousands (perhaps $15,000 to $35,000) depending on how long it takes to set up the required tests (and perform them). 

I truly admire your ambition, but like Hank suggested, 1000 feet may be a better 2nd sub goal. If I were planning to go beyond 1000 feet, I would be looking to Nuytco, SeaMagine or Triton but of course cost is then a major issue again. Does anyone know about how much Karl spent building Idabel? ~ Douglas S. 

On Tue, Apr 8, 2014 at 7:48 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:
Any idea as to the cost of pressure testing that kind of pressure? 
Also, I am not a engineer, but am fairly good at designing things in my head. If I designed this in CAD, does psubs have a good way of sharing CAD files for who ever would like too look at my designs and bounce ideas off of? 
I would love for this project to be a way for psubs to increase overall psubs knowledge of cutting edge and affordable solutions for things like sonar and manipulator arms and things.
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Vance Bradley <VBra676539 at AOL.com> wrote:
Maryland and California (Navy) and Texas (southwest research).
Vance

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On Apr 8, 2014, at 7:14 PM, swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com> wrote:

So is the design of crush depth of 1750m and test to 1250m the idea? Next question is where can you find a pressure chamber that has 1670psi capability?
Thanks,
Scott Waters

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Alan James <alanlindsayjames at yahoo.com> wrote:
Scott,
in general people design their boats with a crush depth of
twice their operating depth, then test them to 1.25 or 1.5 x
there proposed maximum operating depth.
So design to 2000 meters & test it to 1250 meters.
Alan

From: swaters <swaters at waters-ks.com>
To: personal_submersibles at psubs.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2014 4:29 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] New submarine

I am playing with the idea of building another submarine. Here is what I am thinking.
1) This project needs to be as challenging as the same amount of difficulty as it was to build my first submarine
2) I want to have lots of bottom time with my K-350 to learn what needs to be improved on in design and ability.
3) Learn to use CAD
4) Project will take 5-7 years to complete

My initial goals are
1) Hold 3 people
2) Weigh 10,500lbs or less
3) Depth of 3,300 feet (1000m)
4) Have a very effective range of abilities such as a good manipulator arm and tooling
5) Have a wide veiwing maybe a acylic dome front

Ok, shoot holes in the ideas. What will be the main challenges to overcome? What complications am I not considering?

Thanks,
Scott Waters

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