The secret is to spend the beer money on the sub first. Then forget the beer. It works for me. I don't drink beer, and I have a sub. Besides if a $100 helps you build a safer sub then it's worth it! VBra676539@aol.com wrote: > Jon/Dick, > Oh, man, is this gonna hurt! The reinforcement stuff is in the ABS steel > ship book, also a hundred bucks! I ain't a gonna have beer money left, never > mind parts money! > Vance