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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Air compensation experiments



Alan,

Why did you have the first stage without spring connected to the low pressure side of a separate normal first stage?  I think you can accomplish air compensation with only the single first stage with no spring.  I also think you need to have the compensation hose connected to something that will contain the pressure as opposed to just putting the hose in water as it sounds like you did.  Without a sealed end you end up with the same amount of pressure on both sides of the first stage piston (assuming a piston arrangement) which I think would lead to the high pressure valve inside the first stage opening indiscriminately.  Back pressure is required.

Somewhere along the way, I don't recall if it was when I talked to Karl at UI, or maybe what I read on this list, Karl has no pressure release valve on his motors but just lets the air bleed out through the motor housing seals when it is strong enough to do so.  That insinuates the motors are always under some amount of positive pressure above ambient providing the back pressure needed to seal the high pressure valve and keep air from bleeding out.

Jon


On 2/14/2012 2:41 AM, Alan James wrote:
Hi all
I posted a little while back about Karl's system of air compensating his motors using a
first stage regulator with the spring removed.
I had a system made up whereby I could run my first stage without spring from a low pressure hose
connected to the low pressure port of a 1st stage on the tank. I was thinking of using this system to
equalize an ambient sub hence the desire to run it off the low pressure port.
All right in theory but when I stuck the regulator under the water there was very little air coming out.
To make matters worse the air still came out when the 1st stage was taken from the water.
I then ran the system off high pressure, & the air came out before the reg had descended in to the water column.
I could stop the flow easy enough with a finger; so a bit of back pressure would control it.
The conclusion to date is that it isn't as sensitive as a 2nd stage regulator.
Am going to source some light springs & hopefully develop a slight pressure above ambient off the low pressure port.
Hope this makes sense.
Regards Alan