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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries



Hi Jon,
I'm comparing with the  AGM sealed lead acid batteries that I've bought. These are a bit more expensive than lead acid.
 Looking at this site wich sells only AGM sealed lead acid & lifepo4.
 4 of the 40 ah lifepo4  3.2v comes to $240- & 1 of the AGM 44ah is $135-, however the lifepo4 are rated for 2000
cycles whereas the AGM are 400 cycles.
The Lifepo4 batteries are typically 65% of the volume of lead acid batteries & 1/3 the weight
There is also the depth of discharge issue where if you go beyond 50% with AGM batteries you dramatically reduce there
life. However the Lifepo4 can be discharged to 80%
Below is a comparrison chart for batteries used for a solar power system. Note that the lead acid is 92 AH & the Lifepo4
is 40 AH. I think the factor of depth of discharge with the Lifepo4 makes them even more advantagous to our use, in that for less
space you can have twice the power available. 
I've just started looking into this so am no expert, but the figures are looking good.
Regards Alan 
 
 *Lead Acid
Volts:           12
AH @ Standard C: 92
Cost:            $200.00
Lbs:            63
Operating Temp:    -40ºC to 60ºC
Standard C Rate: 0.05
Cycles @ Standard C: 3100
Power Density:   55.2
DoD:            30%
Usable Whr:    331.2
$ / Whr:     $0.60
Lbs / Whr:    0.190217391


*LiFePO4
Volts:            12.8
AH @ Standard C: 40
Cost:            $232.00
Lbs:        13.2
Operating Temp:   -45ºC to 85ºC
Standard C Rate: 3
Cycles @ Standard C: 3000
Power Density:    1536
DoD:            80%
Usable Whr:    409.6
$ / Whr:    $0.57
Lbs / Whr:    0.032226563
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2011 1:43 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries

Hi Alan,

The battery specs cite a 2.8v nominal voltage so I'm curious why the web site states 3.2v.  Assuming 3.2v is correct, you would have to put 4 of these batteries in series to get a minimum of 12v at only 40 Ah.  Another eight batteries would be required to get enough current capacity to equal a 120Ah lead-acid, for a cost of $720 not including the hardware to bind the batteries together.  A lead-acid battery of the same specs is about $250.

Jon


On 6/3/2011 4:07 AM, Alan James wrote:
Hi,
Firstly, "Carsten don't eat the cucumbers".
Secondly, I was talking to a battery importer today, who is bringing in a load
of Chinese "Thunder Sky"  Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries. I googled them & came up with this
Oakland, California based dealer & thought the prices were looking good.
These are 3.2 volt & can be linked together to form whatever voltage, using their accessories.
They seem almost good enough to compete with lead acid batteries for best bang for your buck.
Regards Alan