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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] X-1 midget sub
Marc, yes obviously "Fairchild" a typo, and the VB60 GAP is on the Kruska Book at page 41 and not 39
This is the V60 GAP (not build):
http://www.euronaut.org/content/upload/notes/Walter%20VB60.jpg
This is the X1:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/akalat/5261797507/
This must be also the X1:
http://www.euronaut.org/content/upload/notes/V40%20in%20the%20US.jpg
V40 was obviously a secret and not finished in Germany at the end of the war and I found no further
documentation/picture on it. But if I look on the GAP of the VB60 and than on the pictures of the X1 I must smile a little..
I found some documentation about a other Walter midget called Schwertwal (Orca)
which was also 98% finished and scuttled in Lake Plön and rasied by British Forces two months after the war. They found at the inside a full documentation of many walter submarine projects and than (to the sources) it was scrapped by them just a months later.
(Did anybody believe that the really scrapped an prototyp gas turbine high speed submarine which has in his day a performance like a scram aircraft today? Hmm.. just thinking..)
I found also some documention about the blowing up of the three only existing Delphin (dolphin) one man midget subs on the baltic coast near Lübeck. But funny.. after the war one of them was shown it Fort Lauderdale together with other Italy and German made midgets.. Would be also intressting to find out were this Delphin is today. Or were in the US it was scrapped.
The V80 was also scuttled and blown up in the baltic 1945 in front of Hela. This wreck is maybe still there.
The story goes that they put a deep charge inside and scuttled it..
Hmm.. Funny a deep charge didnt fit into the small hatch.. But okay maybe they put the DC just on the deck.
There are at least one more German one man prototyp not mention anywere in the net or documentation, museums and libarys. Looks like a forerunner of the Biber (no not the Adam) and there is only one picture survife without any name for it.
There is another gost story my Grandfather told me some 25 years ago which I like to check..
He was a navy chief electrian during the war and later as prisoner of war in the US and he told me that he was after the war in the early 50ies on the big Passenger Vessel SS United Staates. And found the turbines of the "Priz Eugen" in it.. can that be true?
All the concept papers, studys and real drawings of this midgets are gone short after the war to US, GB and maybe Russia. Must be intressting to search there in the archives for them.
vbr Carsten
"Gregory Cotton" <gregc02@gmail.com> schrieb:
> Carsten,
>
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Do you have any more info on the V40? I can't find anything on it and
> everything I can find on the X-1 says Fairchild built it; but there
> isn't much info on the build.
>
> The V80 seems to have better documentation.
>
> Thanks again,
>
> Greg
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 3:13 AM, <MerlinSub@t-online.de> wrote:
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> > http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/ssx-1.htm
> >
> > The SSX1 was just the restored Walter V40 build from 1944-45 and scuttled in Mai 1945 in Kiel close to the Walter factory at Tannenberg in the Kiel-Channel about 98% finished build, search and raised in about 1946 by US forces.
> > Transfer to US and restored/rebuild at Fairfield from abt.1948 to 1955.
> >
> > Good pictures of the bigger brother Walter V80 are on the end of this page:
> > http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1282168
> >
> > http://www.uboat.net/types/v80.htm
> >
> > Both the V80 1939-1945 and the V40 1944-1945 are never offical parts of the Kriegsmarine.
> >
> > Some Sources shows also a VB60 or later V60 (V=Versuch B=Boot 60= Gesamtformverdrängung = overall outside displacment in ts) but this boat was not build. In "Walter-U-Boote" von Emil Kruska and Eberhard Rössler, Wehrwissenschaftliche Berichte Band 8 Lehmanns Verlag Munich 1969 page 39 is a General Arrangement Plan of the VB60 which is also very close to the SSX1.
> >
> > vbr Carsten
> >
> >
> > "Gregory Cotton" <gregc02@gmail.com> schrieb:
> >> Actually, Fairchild Aircraft built the X-1 (about half the web
> >> articles list "Fairfield Aircraft" which is somebody's misprint or
> >> mistake that's been copied). Fairchild Aircraft didn't buy Republic
> >> until 10 years later in 1965.
> >>
> >> http://www.williammaloney.com/Aviation/SubmarineUSSNautilus/SSX1/pages/07SSX1Plaque.htm
> >>
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fairchild_Aircraft
> >>
> >> Fairchild Republic brought us the wonderful A-10 Warthog!
> >>
> >> It's amazing how much misinformation perpetuates itself on the web.
> >>
> >> Greg
> >>
> >> On Sat, Feb 26, 2011 at 12:36 AM, Marc de Piolenc <piolenc@archivale.com> wrote:
> >> > Republic actually built the thing. As far as I know, it was their one and
> >> > only submarine, and I'm fairly sure the only submarine ever built by an
> >> > aircraft manufacturer...at least in the USA.
> >> >
> >> > The fuel reservoir exploded at dockside, thankfully with nobody aboard, and
> >> > the boat was reassembled with conventional diesel/electric propulsion.
> >> >
> >> > Best,
> >> > Marc
> >> >
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> >> >
> >> > On 2/26/2011 12:06 PM, JimToddPsub@aol.com wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> Marc,
> >> >> That is indeed the SS X-1. I'm not familiar with its association with
> >> >> Republic if you're referring to the defense contractor. The neatest
> >> >> thing about it was that it employed a closed loop hydrogen peroxide
> >> >> system to supply oxygen to the diesel engine while submerged. Here's
> >> >> some more info:
> >> >> http://www.navsource.org/archives/08/08548.htm
> >> >
> >> >
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