Hi all,
This whole issue of buoyancy seems to have been under rated.
There was Tao Xianglis oil barrel sub that went bow up & had to be
dragged from the water.
Doug's Argonaut Junior surfaced too quickly & on the backward bounce
compressed his ballast air
& sank to the bottom before he could adjust it. & now Jim's boat.
It's a bit of a wake up call in this area.
Regards Alan
----- Original Message ----- From: "Hugh Fulton" <hc.fulton@gmail.com>
To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Sent: Monday, January 17, 2011 1:31 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: sub ops
Sean,
Under ABS rules there is a stability check for maximum movement of
personnel
etc within the confines of a sub. It would be an interesting
excercise to
have that comparison made on BG or a Kittredge design under 7-10.2 of
ASME
PVHO. This is for underwater stability but righting moments etc for
on top
with metacentric height etc can be calculated. This is one of my big
concerns. I think I remember throwing out that thread on stability some
time last year but there was no interest at the time. I am considering
putting a diaphragm on the base of the MBT so that in the event of a
tail or
nose entanglement blowing of the MBT's will not result in burping at a
severe angle.
After testing of the Comsub I have tried to alter the various components
like an Ali rudder instead of SS as the moment was too great and it
was tail
heavy on test, also increased drop weight, lighter batteries. However
these
are minor changes to what you are alluding. Hugh
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Sean T.
Stevenson
Sent: Monday, 17 January 2011 12:41 p.m.
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] FW: sub ops
Dean - check your email settings. Your messages are showing up in a
huge font on my system.
As for your comments - I'm sure every designer has their reasons for
keeping their designs as light as possible, but it is an interesting
thought exercise to consider the actual downsides to incorporating
larger main buoyancy tank volumes, in conjunction with additional
lead ballast, to increase the righting arm of any given boat for the
same freeboard. Lead is relatively cheap, and exterior MBTs would
seem to be one of the easiest structural / mechanical retrofits that
can be effected. The obvious downside being the necessary power to
drive the boat at the same speed, but for most PSub applications
(Cliff excepted), we're not racing around down there. Perhaps
designing for sufficient stability to support a load on the weather
deck is worth the additional displacement? Even without changing
displacement and ballast, it might be possible to lower the position
of fixed ballast on a given design in order to increase stability? I
am curious to know if anyone on the list has, after completing and
testing a sub, opted to make modifications in order to change the
stability. Comments?
-Sean