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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ASME PVHO



 

3 point measuring is generally accepted in Engineering as the most accurate way of measuring roundness on shafts and bores so rollers would be a great indicator as discussed, I think by Jim, earlier in the thread.

2 sets of rollers would also give straightness a good indication over the length.  Jim’s method of using the rollers with top and bottom indicator would be good but difficult to get true diameter.  However true diameter is almost irrelevant as differences in diameter are the crucial indicator.

1% is the allowable which on 48” diameter is almost ½ an inch(0.48”).  If you are within ½ the diameter of an opening then you can add 2% of the inside diameter of that opening.  So next to a 24 inch hatch you are allowed almost an inch (0.96”) difference between maximum and minimum diameter.

To be honest that makes me nervous that much but welding of hatches and windows pulls it out of shape somewhat.  I have just had mine measured as the hull is now finished and the maximum was 14mm.  that was allowable as it was next to a window and a hatch.  I am going to try and press it out a wee bit if possible.  My template chord was almost 9 inches in length and the deviation was 1/8 inch. My hull was really complicated and looks like swiss cheese with holes all over the place.   Hugh  

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace
Sent: Thursday, 4 November 2010 5:35 a.m.
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] ASME PVHO

 


Brian,

Yes, that's what it is.  There are two tests you can perform for out of roundness.  The first is to simply measure the diameter (ID or OD) of the cylinder at one (or both) of the ends, at various compass locations.  So let's say you identify the top and bottom of they cylinder.  You might take a diameter measurement spanning the top and bottom (0-180 degrees), then a diameter measurement left and right (90-270 degrees), and compare them.  You might then take measurements spanning 45-225 degrees, 135-315 degrees, and then compare them all to get an average out of roundness.  This test will give you a general idea for the out of roundness of the cylinder but will not tell you anything about the circumferential surface.

The formula Hugh is working with calculates the chord length of a template.  The template itself is just a segment of a circle with the exact design diameter of the hull.  The template is then used to compare the surface of the hull against an exact circle segment which will show localized out of roundness, dents, etc.  As an example, if you were trying to measure the flatness of an eight foot counter top your template might be the edge of a ruler.  You would not necessarily require a yardstick to measure the flatness, and in fact a yardstick might be too long of a span to make your measurements of out-of-flatness.  In this example, the formula would tell you whether you needed a ruler, yardstick, or some other "chord length".

Imagine the testing difference this way.  If you took a ball-peen hammer and intentionally dented the longitudinal center of your hull, the first test checking the diameter of the cylinder at the ends likely would not indicate any out-of-roundness since the dent is localized in the middle of the cylinder and doesn't impact the hull at the ends.  However, the second test using the template would definitely show the dent (out-of-roundness) assuming you placed the template over the local area where the dent existed.

We can (maybe should) assume that the rollers used to roll a hull may not be perfectly aligned and therefore not produce a hull that is uniformly rolled along its longitudinal axis even if the ends of they cylinder are within tolerance.  The second test with the template will identify such out of roundness.

I'm sure Hugh or Sean can correct me if any of this is wrong.
Jon



On 11/3/2010 11:41 AM, Brian Cox wrote:

Jon,

              Can you explain this out of roundness evaluation,  is it mearly a tolerance that needs to kept with in a certain percentage of exactness?

 

Brian

 




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