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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Twin screw vs single screw



Marc and Carsten,
 
I think redundancy would be nearest and dearest to my heart, especially when being the first to attempt a transit under the Arctic ice cap.  On the single-screw diesel-electrics, they nevertheless had two or three diesel engines and likewise multiple electric motors.  On American nuclear subs (single reactor), I'm not aware of any of them ever having to shut down.  They are extremely reliable.  The Soviets have had that problem.
 
On modern military subs, low noise signature is obviously a very high priority and the single, center-line screw has it all over the twin screw.  In one of the Albacore's refits, they installed concentric, counter-rotating screws as an experiment, but I don't know the results.
 
Despite having twin screws, the huge Typhoons are very quiet.  At that size, a single screw would have had to be so large (resulting in higher tip speeds) or turn at a faster rpm.  Either one would have increased the noise level.
 
Fortunately on our little subs, we're not trying to be silent and sneaky; we want EVERYBODY nearby to know we're there. 
 
Jim
 
In a message dated 9/26/2010 8:19:31 A.M. Central Daylight Time, piolenc@archivale.com writes:
A single, central screw is definitely going to win the efficiency
contest; a single screw centered in an (almost) axially symmetrical wake
will have much higher propulsive efficiency than any other configuration
- see "wake-adapted propeller" or "wake-immersed propeller."
I was wondering only about operational considerations, as touched on by
another poster. Things like redudancy, being able to maneuver in tight
places by going ahead on one shaft and astern on the other, etc.

Best,
Marc

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On 9/26/2010 7:46 PM, JimToddPsub@aol.com wrote:
> Marc,
> During the development of the USS Albacore in the 50s (not to be
> confused with the WWII sub of the same name), they did extensive
> hydrodynamic and wind tunnel including twin-screw vs single screw
> design. Single screw was the winner and became the standard ever after.
> The Albacore was primarily a test bed and was most noted for being the
> first with the tear drop shaped hull which also became the standard. The
> Albacore is now a museum near Jon's stomping grounds in Portsmouth, New
> Hampshire.
> The only subsequent military sub I'm aware of with twin screws is the
> Soviet Typhoon class, but that sucker has twin parallel main pressure
> hulls as well and a beam of 75 feet!
> Jim T
> In a message dated 9/25/2010 10:52:34 P.M. Central Daylight Time,
> piolenc@archivale.com writes:
>
>     Interesting. I wonder if subsequent operational experience confirmed
>     Kittredge and company in their condemnation of single screws, or not.
>
>     Marc



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