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Subject: RE: AW: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
From: "Brian V. Ryder" <brian@subatlantic.com>
Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2010 10:32:33 -0400
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Brilliant!!

Brian V. Ryder
brian@subatlantic.com

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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Alex
Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2010 10:11 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: AW: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure

This just reminded me! I don't remember seeing any Nigerian scam emails
about
this yet. If the scammers over there got this idea they could start a new
wave
of emails saying that they are required to inform you that your family is
entitled part of the 100,000 ounces of gold found on a wreck and you just
have
to give them $25,000 up front to cover the cost of recovering the gold ...
and
of course the position or any other details of the wreck cannot be shared
with
anyone ...

Alex



On 19-Aug-2010 Brian V. Ryder wrote:
> Glen as part of the federal arrest you have to notify anyone still alive
who
> would have a claim we also have taken it one step further in that we have
> offered surviving families the right to see the operation, but the only
> cargo we are interested in was owned by the USSR, but like the Spanish
> wrecks now the Aztec Indians have filed claim because the Spanish wow
claims
> the ship wreck there's stole the gold from them so where does it stop,
there
> is more gold on the bottom of the ocean than in all the banks of the world
> combined   
> 
>  
> 
> Brian V. Ryder
> 
> President 
> 
> Sub Atlantic Research & Recovery Associates Inc.
> 
> brian@subatlantic.com
> 
>  
> 
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> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of glen brown
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 4:52 AM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: AW: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
> 
>  
> 
> Brian
> 
> I agree with you,but most  Salvors I know will on discovering a wreck
remove
> as much of the quick money items in the initial dives to cover overheads
and
> lenghty court proceedings wich usually follow,before declaring the wreck
and
> trying to obtain salvage rights.
> 
> I believe that any artefact that the government wants it should pay the
> salvor good money for ,it should allso supply a historian at the
governments
> expense and any other additional equipment and personel for the monitoring
> and documenting purposes ,but must not unreasonably obstruct the salvos
from
> performing his task , diving days are usually limited.I think this would
> encourage Salvor's to work with governments.Wouldn't it be nice if the
> company that is performing the salvage gives a percentage of the profits
or
> artefacts to the family or families of those who's lives where lost on
that
> perticular  wreck , should they allso not  be given more authority in the
> salvage decissions I wonder.
> 
> Glen
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: Brian Cox <mailto:ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>  
> 
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
> 
> Sent: Thursday, August 19, 2010 5:30 AM
> 
> Subject: RE: AW: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
> 
>  
> 
> Certainly something like the "Grotte Cosquer" should be protected against
> vandels.
> 
>  
> 
> http://www.culture.gouv.fr/culture/archeosm/en/cosq.htm
> 
>  
> 
> But various wrecks that are not nessesarily of historic value should be
open
> to salvage.  It would help propel more development in submarines by giving
> an extra monetary boost to those involved in subs.  That would in turn
help
> propel other ventures.  We should lobby Congress !!
> 
>  
> 
> Brian
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of David Bartsch
> Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 2010 1:53 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: RE: AW: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
> 
> One man's junk is another man's treasure... One see's a golden spanish
coin,
> another a sizable piece of gold.
> 
>  
> David Bartsch 
>> Subject: Re: AW: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
>> From: MerlinSub@t-online.de
>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:41:00 +0000
>> 
>> The big question is what is a underwater heritage?
>> 
>> A Liberty Ship sunk 1944 full of copper? 
>> 
>> For some archelogist this has to stay as wreck untouch for the next
> generations. 
>> 
>> For some seamens and salvors this is not more than a underwater 
>> scrapping place ready to salvage with explosives, a barge and a crane.. 
>> 
>> Here in our lake a VW rabbit sunken 1970 into the ice of a lake by stupid
> boys 
>> is protect by some laws.. 
>> 
>> vbr Carsten 
>> 
>> 
>> "Juergen Guerrero Kommritz" <groplias2@yahoo.com> schrieb:
>> > Hello Brian
>> there is an international convention that protects the underwater
heritage
> 
>> (sunken treasures): the paper is on the link:
>> http://www.unesco.org/culture/underwater/infokit_en/
>> 
>> It is not so easy if you have a spanish wreck Spain claims it so there
> will be a 
>> battle for the possible treasure, most treasures are of the archeological
> type 
>> only costly to recover and no worth on the market but of big value for
> mankind.
>> Best wishes
>> Juergen
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ________________________________
>> Von: Brian Cox <ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
>> An: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> Gesendet: Dienstag, den 17. August 2010, 18:41:37 Uhr
>> Betreff: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
>> 
>> 
>> Wow ! Thanks for the great answers guys !
>> 
>> I can see it can get to be a sticky situation. Best not to talk too much.

>> 
>> Carsten, once I get my sub going I need to talk to you !!! 
>> 
>> Brian
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org 
>> >[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of
> ShellyDalg@aol.com
>> >Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 2010 12:03 PM
>> >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] sunken treasure
>> >
>> >
>> >Hi Brian. There have been several laws passed in recent years in the US
> about 
>> >this subject. None of them good for a "treasure hunter" but good for 
>> >historians.
>> >Talk to the guys at Delta Oceanographics. They were working in
> conjunction 
>> >with a salvage outfit up near Crescent City, Calif. to find the Jonathan
> B. ( 
>> >look it up )
>> >5 Million in gold was recovered and the State of California claimed 
>> >ownership. After a long and costly court battle, they finally received
> some 
>> >compensation.
>> >Basically, if you find it, you can't touch anything, including a ship's
> bell. 
>> >
>> >You can video/document the dives etc. but don't take anything.
>> >Naturally you want to keep it a secret, but you'll have to contact the 
>> >authorities and work out a deal before anything is touched. You'll end
up
> in 
>> >jail if you don't follow the rules.
>> >I have a friend who grew up on his grandfather's farm along the coast.
> When 
>> >times got real tough his granpa would "miraculously" come up with a few
> gold 
>> >coins to hawk and save the farm.
>> >He's pretty sure he knows where the old man went looking for them.
>> >The farm has been out of his family for many years now, but he still
> dreams 
>> >of going back and searching for the gold.
>> >If you find a random coin or two then it's yours to keep as no owner can
> be 
>> >identified.
>> >If you find a wreck......the trouble begins!
>> >Be careful.
>> >Frank D.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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