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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak



Knock a fire hydrant off,  then you have a gusher of water coming out coming up 20' or so.  Dumping a pile of rocks on a gusher like that and what you'd have is water coming out a 100 different places.  At 5000 ft you would have something that would be a bigger mess.
 
Are there any subs that could work at 5000' ?
 
Brian
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of glen brown
Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:52 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak

Why not drop a mountain of rock and gravel on it.And that will be that. The ships are available that can do this simple task all you need is the position.
Glen
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Sent: Wednesday, June 02, 2010 5:00 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak

I'd love to get in on a job like that, from fabrication to execution. A heavy work ROV and maybe one of the Pisces boats so us old guys could be on the work site and still be able to pee when we needed to. Of course, there wouldn't be any parades afterwards; just CNN looking down its nose going "what took you so long?" That said, anyone who has done a tough job underwater will know just how good it would feel to be part of the team that plugs this thing.

Vance



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From: landnseawelding <landnsea1@hawaiiantel.net>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 10:08 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak

The technology is there to fabricate a large pushing ram and receiving shoe the diameter of the pipe built into a cage that would be guided into place with the help of an ROV like the cone they tried that failed, to collapse the pipe or even shear it off if they wanted to. I am surprised they haven't tried that yet. It may not stop the leak 100% put I would think that it would be pretty damn close!
 
RP
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Sent: Tuesday, June 01, 2010 11:20 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak

Jacket pipe is very thick. I'm not sure how you'd go about pinching that baby shut from a mile away. Pretty hard to figure how you'd do it in the back yard, come to that.
Vance



-----Original Message-----
From: David Bartsch <dbartsch2236@hotmail.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Tue, Jun 1, 2010 5:05 pm
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak

   As I understand it, there is a bend in this pipe that restricts the flow slightly. The next plan is to cut this pipe prior to this restriction in the hope that another set up can be attached to it. This will increase the flow of oil until this is attached some 20% until repaired. (we need more oil!).
 
   Why could they not simply crimp or pinch this pipe shut?
 
                                                                                                                                                      David Bartsch
 

 

Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 11:45:32 -0700
From: jgcottrell2002@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org


I would suggest that future wells be required to have a failsafe in the form of a length of pipe inserted into the well shaft. This section would be double-walled and filled with high grade explosive. Say- 2000 ft deep in a well that is to be drilled as deep as 18,000 ft like this like the Deepwater Horizon. This could be detonated in an emergency.
In addition, a few tankers coulb be fitted with conveyor style skimmers to throw floating sludge/oil into the hold,(and pumping out water that settles in the keel). The cost would be small compared to the amount of money lost on one big spill.
 
Greg
 
 
 

--- On Wed, 5/26/10, ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com> wrote:

From: ShellyDalg@aol.com <ShellyDalg@aol.com>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] the leak
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Date: Wednesday, May 26, 2010, 12:19 PM

Submersible operations at that depth are very difficult for sure. There are some pretty amazing ROV's in the undersea industry and I have to assume the guys working there are pretty smart.
I wonder if the basic premise is off base though. My guess is that the "suits" are calling the shots.
Two thoughts I've had from the first few days since the leak was discovered.......
First off.....the dispersants being used seems like a bad idea to me. Wouldn't it be better to inject some type of "solidifying" chemical into the oil stream so the oil would clump up and sink, staying near the leak and at the bottom. It would create a HUGE pile of tar at the seabed but at least it wouldn't be spreading out all through the water column and across the entire gulf region.
Sure, it would be a big mess still, but it would be in a relatively small area and after the leak was fixed the big pile of shit could be cleaned up by ROV's and barges.
The other idea, although not a fix, would be to attach a larger pipe around the well pipe and channel all that oil and gas to the surface without it spreading all over the place. If a big barge was positioned at the pipe where it reached the surface, the oil and gas could be channeled into an open containment chamber where the natural gas would evaporate and the oil would be in a big "bath tub" where pumps could transfer it into tankers. The ultimate fix of drilling a relief well and plugging the well pipe could proceed and by August the well would be sealed permanently but the oil wouldn't have messed up the water and ultimately the shore. 
I know it was an "accident" but the flailing around with different "fixes" has created a mess that will take decades to clean up, if it's possible at all to really get it all clean. ( which I doubt )
The damage to the environment and the industry, from fishermen to waitresses and all the people who live there is too immense to comprehend. I just don't think BP has enough money to really "make them whole".
Let me just add that I've always thought that oil on a federal lease was the property of the American people and for any company, be it American or foreign, to make profits beyond a reasonable amount is just plain wrong. Same thing with mining, forestry, hydro electric, or any other "natural resource" obtained from government owned lands. That stuff is the property of the citizens and should be developed with a set amount of profit margin but not ruled by corporate greed setting the "market".
Sorry, better get off my podium now......
Frank D. 


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