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 It is an Aussie Ebay link but you get the Idea... Search for them 
and you will find them everywhere... I modified some old Runway marker light 
housings as they are already waterproof and just about indestructable. Some 
potting and they are good to 300m I would think  
Dean, 
Thanks for the link. 
Dan Lance 
  
 
  
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  Sent: 2/15/2010 10:28:32 PM  
  Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 
  Lighting 
  
  
  A cheep lighting option I have used before underwater in filming 
  situations where I want to mount a light I may not be able to retrieve 
  are Automotive HID (or HMI) kits.. they are 12v or 24v, come in different 
  light temps (Kelvin, 5600, 4200, 3800.) the Daylight colour works best 
  underwater for eliminating back Scatter. they come in Kits with Ballast and 
  Bulb for two lights. use about 50% the power of the halogen 
  equivalent. 
    
  
     
  
  
  Hi Vance, 
  Thanks for that.  
  I'm just converting your figures to the equivalent watts 
  required for LEDs using the below figures. 
  
  150w incandescent = 2,550 lumens or 17 lumens per watt 150w halogen = 
  3000 lumens or 20 lumens per watt 150w of Fluorescents = 9,000 lumens or 60 
  lumens per watt 150w of Compact Fluorescents = 10,500 lumens or 70 lumens 
  per watt 150w Metal Halide = 13,500 lumens or 90 lumens per watt 150w 
  High Pressure Sodium = 16,000 lumens or 107 lumens per watt 
  The LED light I was looking at was 60 lumens per watt, so your 500 watt at 
  17 lumens per watt 
  would equate to a 142 watt LED & the 250 watt would equate to a 71 
  watt in the super bright LED. 
  I hope that calculation sheds some light on the subject.  
  regards Alan 
    
  ----- Original Message -----   
  
    
    
    Sent: Monday, February 15, 2010 2:25 
    PM 
    Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 
    Lighting 
    
  
    My experience is with the older style lights. That said, we used a 
    combination of 500 watt Snooper spotlighs and 250 watt general purpose 
    lights with wide diffusers. The subs generally carried 2 pairs of each in 
    the bow and another pair (or 2 for the longer subs) down each side so the 
    pilot could see in all directions. Depending on water clarity, etc, the 
    pilot and observer could use any of several combinations for best viewing or 
    videoing. 
    Vance
 
  
    
  
    -----Original 
    Message----- From: Jay K. Jeffries 
    <bottomgun@mindspring.com> To: 
    personal_submersibles@psubs.org Sent: Sun, Feb 14, 2010 5:36 
    pm Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Lighting
     
    
    
    David, 
    To minimize the issue of 
    back scatter from light systems, it is best to place the light(s) pointed at 
    the area to be viewed and at a 45 degree angle in relation to the viewer (or 
    camera).  This will cut down on the light reflected back into the 
    viewer’s or camera’s eye when there is suspended matter in the 
    water. 
      
    The more light you have 
    the better your viewing experience will be.  Car light bulbs (PAR), 
    dichromatic spots or projection lights put out a lot of light but have a 
    large power drain, high intensity discharge (HID) put out a LOT of light for 
    a much smaller power drain but are expensive and easily damaged, and the 
    latest innovation just entering the market are ganged high intensity LED 
    lights with a long life (and not a catastrophic failure as all the LEDs do 
    not fail at the same time), even lower power consumption and the promise of 
    eventually being very economical. 
    R/Jay 
      
      
    
      
       
    Its almost like considering fog lights on a car...too bright and you 
    actually end up seeing worse in a thick fog!    I would be very 
    interested in anyone's experienced response on this 
    one.                                                                                        
    David 
    Bartsch                    &nb! 
    sp;     
 
     
  
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