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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
Two hatches - no problem
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of F. Marc de
Piolenc
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:51 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
I must have misunderstood the pictures you posted. It looked like there
was a hatch at the wide end that projected well above the water when
surfaced and flipped bow-down. My thought was: make that the normal
condition for entrance and egress.
Marc
Brian Cox wrote:
> Hi Marc, Wow to the Philippines and back in a split second - the internet
> is amazing !
>
> When it is flipped, like a spar buoy, you wouldn't be able to get out.
It
> would most likely be in that configuration in heaver seas, with limited
> freeboard in the horizontal position you could easily get swamped. The
> freeboard in the flipped position would be much greater.
>
> Brian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of F. Marc de
> Piolenc
> Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:18 PM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>
>
> I am very fond of the spar buoy configuration, and FLIP was my intro to
> it as well. Perfect for habitats, but I admit I never thought of it in
> connection with a personal submarine. Quick comments:
>
> I'm assuming that your design will flip by shifting water ballast or
> (better) a solid weight fore and aft?
>
> Instead of an additional hatch aft, why not make that the only entrance?
> The fewer hull penetrations, the better...
>
> Best,
> Marc de Piolenc
>
> Brian Cox wrote:
>> Hi Rick,
>> My first model was patterned after Deep Flight Aviator,
>> but I decided to make a canard design for the wings - similar to an
>> aricraft that I always liked, the Varyeze. That first model was small ,
>> I think 1/12 scale. I made it out of foam and fiberglass. It was ok
>> for a general cool looking sub but as a practical matter it didn't make
>> much sense, I found myself trying to crame everything into this design I
>> made, where the functionality was not fully developed. My second design
>> was based more on what I could realistically do in the real world and
>> was a larger scale. It was made using cardboard ( or maybe very thin
>> plywood) and I actually made ribs and then filled inbetween with foam,
>> then I fiber glassed over the whole thing. Hot glue is fun to work
>> with - instant gratification ! One problem I had was that the model was
>> too buoyant so I had to compensate with lead placed in some strategec
>> locations. When I first placed it in the water it turned upside down (
>> shades of needle fish ! ) that got my attention right away ! I
>> changed my design because of that. Here is a link to some pics:
>>
>> http://ojaivalleybeefarm.com/Brian's%20Sub/My%20Sub/my_design.htm
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]*On Behalf Of *Rick &
>> Marcia
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:20 AM
>> *To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>>
>> I'm finding that out now. I found that Gorilla Glue was probably my
>> best bet - unless I wanted to keep making batches of 5-minute epoxy.
>>
>> The scale human figures are invaluable. You find out right away
>> what works in terms of ergonomicas, fit, points of view, etc. It's
>> enlightening.
>>
>> What materials did you use for your models?
>>
>>
>> Rick
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Brian Cox <mailto:ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
>> *To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> <mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:30 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>>
>> Actually Rick, I benefited immensely by making some models at
>> the begining stages of my sub design. Even with the actual
>> methods of construction I found that in order to make a sturdy
>> model you needed to think about these things even on a small
>> scale. Also when I was trying to come up with a over all "look"
>> for my sub the term "form follows function" was a guiding
>> format for me.
>>
>> Brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]*On Behalf Of
>> *Rick & Marcia
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:34 PM
>> *To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>>
>> Ya - the doctor said cutting paper dolls was too dangerous
> :-D
>>
>> Rick
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* Brian Cox
> <mailto:ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
>> *To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> <mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:30 AM
>> *Subject:* RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>>
>> Rick, Am I to understand that you are playing with
>> barbie dolls now?
>>
>> brian
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> *From:* owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> <mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]*On
>> Behalf Of *Rick & Marcia
>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:14 AM
>> *To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> <mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>>
>>
>> I purchased, as part of my modelling efforts, a
>> series of anatomically correct mannequins. They're
>> about two inches to the foot, so a twelve inch high
>> figure is equivalent to six feet. The joints appear
>> in all the right places as measured against a human
>> figure - me. They also bend naturally. I was
>> fortunate to find them at $10 CDN each.
>>
>> They also have really cool uniforms. Seriously,
>> making models, scale and life-size, can't be
>> overstated. Cardboard, poster board, wood, metal,
>> copper pipe - whatever works.
>>
>>
>> Rick in Vancouver
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> *From:* ShellyDalg@aol.com
>> <mailto:ShellyDalg@aol.com>
>> *To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> <mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> *Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:25 AM
>> *Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
>>
>> In a message dated 11/27/2009 2:01:20 P.M.
>> Pacific Standard Time, alanjames@xtra.co.nz
>> <mailto:alanjames@xtra.co.nz> writes:
>>
>> I know evolution as apposed to design
>> doesn't sound too good, but it suits what I'm
>> trying to acheive.
>>
>> Hi Alan. Evolution of design is the best
>> approach. You have a full size mock-up ? Another
>> great idea. It worked well for me. I made a lot
>> of serious changes to the design after making
>> mock-ups. After I zeroed in on the hull design I
>> made models too. About 1/10th scale and used
>> them to experiment with different ballast tank
>> designs, water flow, weight distribution,
>> balance, etc.
>> That was a really fun part of the process.
>> Sitting inside the mock-ups and imagining where
>> the windows would go, how the controls would
>> function, where all the stuff would sit, how
>> seating would be arranged etc.
>> It's been a multi-year process and a LOT of fun.
>> Looking forward to seeing yours as it evolves.
>> Frank D.
>
>
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