Hi Marc, Wow to the Philippines and back in a split second - the internet
is amazing !
When it is flipped, like a spar buoy, you wouldn't be able to get out. It
would most likely be in that configuration in heaver seas, with limited
freeboard in the horizontal position you could easily get swamped. The
freeboard in the flipped position would be much greater.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of F. Marc de
Piolenc
Sent: Tuesday, December 01, 2009 5:18 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
I am very fond of the spar buoy configuration, and FLIP was my intro to
it as well. Perfect for habitats, but I admit I never thought of it in
connection with a personal submarine. Quick comments:
I'm assuming that your design will flip by shifting water ballast or
(better) a solid weight fore and aft?
Instead of an additional hatch aft, why not make that the only entrance?
The fewer hull penetrations, the better...
Best,
Marc de Piolenc
Brian Cox wrote:
Hi Rick,
My first model was patterned after Deep Flight Aviator,
but I decided to make a canard design for the wings - similar to an
aricraft that I always liked, the Varyeze. That first model was small ,
I think 1/12 scale. I made it out of foam and fiberglass. It was ok
for a general cool looking sub but as a practical matter it didn't make
much sense, I found myself trying to crame everything into this design I
made, where the functionality was not fully developed. My second design
was based more on what I could realistically do in the real world and
was a larger scale. It was made using cardboard ( or maybe very thin
plywood) and I actually made ribs and then filled inbetween with foam,
then I fiber glassed over the whole thing. Hot glue is fun to work
with - instant gratification ! One problem I had was that the model was
too buoyant so I had to compensate with lead placed in some strategec
locations. When I first placed it in the water it turned upside down (
shades of needle fish ! ) that got my attention right away ! I
changed my design because of that. Here is a link to some pics:
http://ojaivalleybeefarm.com/Brian's%20Sub/My%20Sub/my_design.htm
Brian
-----Original Message-----
*From:* owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]*On Behalf Of *Rick &
Marcia
*Sent:* Tuesday, December 01, 2009 11:20 AM
*To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
*Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
I'm finding that out now. I found that Gorilla Glue was probably my
best bet - unless I wanted to keep making batches of 5-minute epoxy.
The scale human figures are invaluable. You find out right away
what works in terms of ergonomicas, fit, points of view, etc. It's
enlightening.
What materials did you use for your models?
Rick
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Cox <mailto:ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
*To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
<mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 11:30 PM
*Subject:* RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
Actually Rick, I benefited immensely by making some models at
the begining stages of my sub design. Even with the actual
methods of construction I found that in order to make a sturdy
model you needed to think about these things even on a small
scale. Also when I was trying to come up with a over all "look"
for my sub the term "form follows function" was a guiding
format for me.
Brian
-----Original Message-----
*From:* owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]*On Behalf Of
*Rick & Marcia
*Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 9:34 PM
*To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
*Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
Ya - the doctor said cutting paper dolls was too dangerous
:-D
Rick
----- Original Message -----
*From:* Brian Cox
<mailto:ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
*To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
<mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
*Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 6:30 AM
*Subject:* RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
Rick, Am I to understand that you are playing with
barbie dolls now?
brian
-----Original Message-----
*From:* owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
<mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]*On
Behalf Of *Rick & Marcia
*Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2009 1:14 AM
*To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
<mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
*Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
I purchased, as part of my modelling efforts, a
series of anatomically correct mannequins. They're
about two inches to the foot, so a twelve inch high
figure is equivalent to six feet. The joints appear
in all the right places as measured against a human
figure - me. They also bend naturally. I was
fortunate to find them at $10 CDN each.
They also have really cool uniforms. Seriously,
making models, scale and life-size, can't be
overstated. Cardboard, poster board, wood, metal,
copper pipe - whatever works.
Rick in Vancouver
----- Original Message -----
*From:* ShellyDalg@aol.com
<mailto:ShellyDalg@aol.com>
*To:* personal_submersibles@psubs.org
<mailto:personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
*Sent:* Saturday, November 28, 2009 8:25 AM
*Subject:* Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Working subs
In a message dated 11/27/2009 2:01:20 P.M.
Pacific Standard Time, alanjames@xtra.co.nz
<mailto:alanjames@xtra.co.nz> writes:
I know evolution as apposed to design
doesn't sound too good, but it suits what I'm
trying to acheive.
Hi Alan. Evolution of design is the best
approach. You have a full size mock-up ? Another
great idea. It worked well for me. I made a lot
of serious changes to the design after making
mock-ups. After I zeroed in on the hull design I
made models too. About 1/10th scale and used
them to experiment with different ballast tank
designs, water flow, weight distribution,
balance, etc.
That was a really fun part of the process.
Sitting inside the mock-ups and imagining where
the windows would go, how the controls would
function, where all the stuff would sit, how
seating would be arranged etc.
It's been a multi-year process and a LOT of fun.
Looking forward to seeing yours as it evolves.
Frank D.
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