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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] No Machining Hatch Sealing Concept



Hi Cody,  I concur.  Your also touching on what the issue Alec brought up.   I think the key here would be to balance your hardness of Sekaflex with the pressure range your design is planned to operate in.  Softer makes this type of sealing arrangement seal more easily near the surface, and harder makes it resist being damaged and parted beyond what the urethane can recover from.  This is part of where having two upper rings basically splits up the total load that is transferred from the outer hatch surface that translates into downward force on the SS sealing rings.
 
I suspect you can get away with a much harder urethane in this arrangement, and still seal at the surface, since your molding the upper SS sealing rings into the urethane, for a perfect fit to start with.  The hardest urethanes might be able to handle a lot of pressure.  I was mostly thinking of this arrangement for subs that have a general operating depth of 500 fsw or less.   It might be really nice for subs the have a general operating depth of 250 fsw or less.
 
Regards
Brent 

Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 1:38 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] No Machining Hatch Sealing Concept

it is a very intresting idea, but as you get deeper and the pressure increases those ridges that are seating on the flat gasket are likely to just cut into it and fail. thats just what i think anyways.

Cody McMillan
Marine Engineer
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From: brenthartwig@hotmail.com
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] No Machining Hatch Sealing Concept
Date: Fri, 4 Sep 2009 04:14:04 -0700

This is an idea I've been wanting to make some CAD models and drawings of for some time now. We have this big oval or rectangle steel plate doors for the hyperbaric chambers, and it's expensive to machine the doors and seating flanges flat, plus cut the O-ring groove. Even then the welded in door frame can and usually warps some. Once welded in the door frame is very hard to machine.   The concept shown in the below pictures and drawings, is showing a K-350 type hatch and hatch land, that have two rolled 1/4" SS rod rings, that are TIG welded onto the hatch flange, and two on the hatch land.  The two on the hatch land are to form a dam for Sekaflex, that you caulk in there and level off.  Then to allow the upper SS rings to seat down into the Sekaflex enough to take up any warp in both flanges and not stick to the Sekaflex while it is curing, you apply mold release to the SS rings, and then spray them with PVA mold release agent and let that dry.  Then before the Sekaflex is caulked into the lower rings, you lower the hatch and figure out what spacers you need to keep if from going down to far into the urethane. Then add the Sekaflex of the type of hardness you want, and lower the hatch, which is attached at the hinge to keep every thing lined up, and set the hatch down on your taped or clamped on spacers, and let it cure. 
 
One could use just one upper SS sealing ring as you can see in the drawing of a large WWII ballast tank flapper valve.  But I like the primary and secondary sealing means, and it evens out the stresses more.
 
 
http://cid-5085d10eb6afe47c.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/No%20Machining%20Hatch%20Sealing%20Concept%2055
 
 
 
 
  " Stand still. The trees ahead and bush beside you are not lost."   ~ Albert Einstein
 
 
 
Regards
Szybowski


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