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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Original KL-250 Blown Dome Specs



We talked about the English boats with GRP hulls (LRetc, and the 1-man tethered vehicles) at one time. Those things were built on mandrels, like the casing for a missle thrust section. It takes big machinery to do it, but all that stuff was ABS or Lloyd's approved, so the data must be somewhere. No hand layup, kids. Sorry.
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Smyth, Alec <Alec.Smyth@compuware.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Thu, Aug 20, 2009 6:11 pm
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Original KL-250 Blown Dome Specs

What data? Maybe I'm misreading this, but I don't have any data on composite pressure hulls whatsoever, so it would be hard for me to have furnished what I don't have.
 
:)


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:55 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Original KL-250 Blown Dome Specs

Ya, and/or FRP or the like. Just ordered up a good number of sch. 80 SS double couplers for two new 6 person hyperbaric chambers my relative has orders for. That should keep us busy. Were just using 304 SS since they are not going in the ocean.
 
Blasting on the inside of my K boats steel hull, makes me want a composite pressure hull. I've got one in the works with some assistance. Thanks for the data Alec.
 
Is your battery pod, electrical thru hull conductor shielding Delrin?  Karl was telling me a few days ago about the Delrin shielding on Idabel.
 
Regards,
Brent
 

From: Smyth, Alec
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 7:11 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Original KL-250 Blown Dome Specs

Yes, they're UHMW. After diving Snoopy in the ocean some years ago, I replaced everything I could for SS or plastic. I'd make the whole boat SS or plastic if I could.


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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Thursday, August 20, 2009 3:26 AM
To: PSUBSorg
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Original KL-250 Blown Dome Specs

Greetings SMMOMS,
 
I've been analyzing the original acrylic blown dome, that came on my KL-250, and made the assembly model of it, to put on the CAD assembly of the whole sub as it was configured when I received it. Then later I'll put a modified version of it on a assembly model of the K-250 as it is configured in the Captains plans. 
 
http://cid-5085d10eb6afe47c.skydrive.live.com/browse.aspx/Original%20Blown%20Acrylic%20Dome%20on%20KL-250
 
I've noticed that the bonded on rim ring on my dome is made up of four strips of .25" thick by .75" wide acrylic joined at a 45 degree angle. The thickness at the apex of the dome is just under 3/8" .    I'm working of obtaining the exact shape of the dome, but currently I think have a reasonably good facsimile. I've begun to run some FEA testing on the dome assembly I currently have worked up.  No surprises there so far, with the higher stresses being on the thin top area, and the inside seating area.  I still need to obtain a few material property specs on the Acrylite G and Polycast cell cast acrylic  to obtain more accurate data. The CosmosWorks software I use has a cyclic fatigue analyzing engine, so I'll have to put it to good use. 
 
My rendering software and computer were playing nice together, for this session, so some interesting renderings came out, with out me feeling like pulling out my hair.   ; }'
 
http://ibnyeq.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pNIHNDNt3hqyfY-h1DYAvy_yzoFv5QHdpBg-qUg4LZyqtm50fuRHZgNedjKlKBNOv4h_8kQI_xZT6WExIYMZeFA/Studio%20Tungsten%20sm.jpg
 
I can clearly see on the old dome that it was retained in two different positions about it's axis. It was held in one position for a long time, and I could see where the metal holding cleats pressed against the outer surface of the blown dome. This makes me think that for this type of dome, that there could be a retaining ring with a rubber gasket under it, instead of the metal cleats. I see Alec changed his out for plastic ones.
 
Alec, are those made out of UHMW?
 
Also in both said holding positions, there is fracture damage to the blown dome. One area in particular took some serious damage. Some of fractures might be from tightening the cleats down to hard, and/or the hatch was dropped or obtained the damage in a particular holding position when the sub suffered a hydrogen explosion inside and blew back the hatch with out it being latched inside or out.
 
Regards,
Szybowski