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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Operation at the Discretion of the U.S Coast Guard



Hugh,
 
Did you take a look at U-boat Worx ballast tank vent valves when you were there?  They look like they are using some sort of mushroom vent.  It seems like I keep finding that when it comes to competition, people tend to go to one extreme or the other.  I was pleasantly surprised when I got into the commercial parakeet farming business in Oregon, that all the other parakeet farms in the are worked together in one way or another. We could order larger bulk feed orders, and keep are customers supplied with others birds when are production was down. I like it when people compete with quality, style, price, and service. Not put others down, to push your self up. Bruce made a stab at SeaMagine, Hawkes and Phil in that brochure as well.  
 
Subs have so many different uses, that while one configuration of designs will work great in one or more niches, it's not going to be the best in all niches.
 
 
" There are sub vendors out there at yacht shows selling inexpensive, shallow diving sub that have not been properly engineered and certified, and if you use one, in our opinion, you are taking your life in your hands.
 
The Triton represents the only deep submersible design in the world today that was developed specifically to meet the requirements of yacht based use. Every competitive submersible offered has at least one fatal flaw when it come to yacht based operations."   
 
Do I need to say any thing here?     I'll have to call his bluff on that one.
 
" One even puts a very large metal mating flange at eye level around the passenger compartment."  
 
The SeaMagines have are a lot easier to get out of and have more surface flotation then a Triton 1000 as well as some acrylic sphere protection.
 
" The 3300 foot version of the Triton allows even more versatility in diving depth and is popular among marine archeologist of wreck-hunters.?
 
He's not even built one yet, and he's saying there popular.
 
 
"Other classification societies of other countries also class submersibles but non have the rigorous requirements of ABS and some are simply chosen for their regulatory loopholes. For instance, ABS would never award class to a submersible where opening the hatch in the water would sink the vehicle."
 
                                ~ Bruce Jones
 
What about the inflatable systems for emergency surface egress that the Deep Flight Super Falcon and Deep Flight Aviator is supposed to have, and that they cannot open the hatch from the inside as far as I can see.
 
Some Deepworker subs are ABS classed if I understand Phil correctly.
 
Regards,
Brent

Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 3:55 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Operation at the Discretion of the U.S Coast Guard

U-boat Worx are in Breda, Holland not Dubai.  I visited them and they are quite professional and have a GL classification equal to ABS and acceptance in Europe so Yes Triton brochure comments are misleading and rather pointed.  The new Seaquester is 3 man and quite roomy inside and well built.  They are using Li-ion batteries.

I think that Triton have the edge but they are much more costly.  Competition brings out the best and the worst in people.  Chs Hugh

 

 

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jay K. Jeffries
Sent: 17 August 2009 10:36
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Operation at the Discretion of the U.S Coast Guard

 

Brent,

From my discussions with the US Coast Guard while assisting with making plans for the Maine trip, the issue of ?classed? never came up.  The USCG can stop you from operating on any navigable waters if they think that you present a threat or a safety issue (whether to yourself or to others).

 

Well it looks like Jones finally has subs in the water?it has taken him close to 20 years (and they are the large luxury yacht submersibles that he keeps pushing but just a copy of Link?s original concept).  Haven?t spoken with him in years but it looks like he hasn?t changed.

 

Wasn?t U-Boat Worx building out of Dubai?  If so, they are under indictment for embezzlement as I posted a while back.

R/Jay

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Sunday, August 16, 2009 6:12 PM
To: PSUBSorg
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Sub Operation at the Discretion of the U.S Coast Guard

 

I had a phone conversation with Bruce Jones a while back, and he tried to make it sound like only classed sub are allowed to operate in the U.S. waters. Of course we know that unclassed subs have a range to currently work in. But he didn't want to hear that. I guess some just want subbing to be a very very exclusive club. I had also heard that in some busy harbors the Coast Guard wants you to file a dive plan, and get clearance. Like was done when the S101 was diving in the Seattle area. Have you guys heard about the below data, and is there a statute I can reference?

 

"In most countries, including the United States, it is illegal to commercially operate a sub not built to classification standards and operated without a valid class certificate. In the U.S. it is at the discretion of the U.S. Coast Guard Captain of the Port at so whether to allow private home-built or non classed subs to operate without paying passengers in U.S waters.

 

Submersibles that are not classed by any classification society cannot be insured and they cannot legally carry passengers for hire. Small, inexpensive submersibles like those sold by U-Boat Worx fall into this category."


Page 13

 

 

There is also quite a bit of data on the Triton subs in this new PDF brochure that is interesting. I found the U-Boat Worx comments to be a bit rude. But maybe that's just me. As is turns out Bruce Jones lives just minutes from me. How crazy is that.

 

Regards,

Brent



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