Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Buoyancy control

[MerlinSub@t-online.de]

Hi Jon, Atlantis and the K Boats have tanks.
Alan ask for a boat without any tank.. 

If you like to see how a sub without Tanks and 
only with Thruster looks on the surface - search in the 
Internet for pictures of ROVS on the surface.. 

http://www.expresspcb.com/Feedback/ROV/ROV4.jpg

vbr Carsten 

"Jon Wallace" <jonw@psubs.org> schrieb:
> 
> Hi Alan,
> 
> Some do, and its a viable design. The Atlantis tourist submarines remain 
> slightly positively buoyant and use thrusters to force itself down to 
> depth. The couple of cons that I can see are you'll likely have more 
> power requirements since you'll need to use your motors to keep you at 
> depth, and lack of reserve buoyancy if you get in trouble and need to 
> come up quickly, and/or want to pick something up and surface with it.
> 
> I don't believe freeboard is an issue. Even with a K-sub you could 
> maintain a slightly positive buoyancy and use the thrusters to force the 
> sub underwater.
> 
> Jon
> 
> 
> 
> Alan Clifford wrote:
> >
> > I’m sorry if this sounds like a stupid question but here it is.
> >
> > Virtually all submarines and submersibles have some metal ballast and 
> > one or more ballast tanks that are filled with water to submerge and 
> > cleared with compressed air to surface. Why not just add metal ballast 
> > until the vessel has slightly positive buoyancy and use dive planes to 
> > “fly” down to whatever depth you want? This eliminates the complexity 
> > of tanks, lines, valves, and compressed air.
> >
> > I realize that the submarine would not be able to hover at a specific 
> > depth and could not descend vertically. Is this important?
> >
> > I can see that a military submarine would need to dive quickly but 
> > that doesn’t apply to a personal submersible.
> >
> > A submersible with slightly positive buoyancy would not have much 
> > freeboard. Is that the problem?
> >
> > If the load was changed, the ballast would have to be changed. That 
> > doesn’t seem to be a problem with a personal submersible.
> >
> > Thanks for your help.
> >
> > Alan
> >
> 
> 
> 
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