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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pilot training for subs
I agree with Jon concerning the term "certified submersible pilot". It take
a lot more experience than what you receive in Mark's program.
R/Jay
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
As scarce as the truth is, the supply has always been in excess of the
demand.
-Josh Billings
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Jon Wallace
Sent: Saturday, February 14, 2009 12:05 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Pilot training for subs
I agree with this from the perspective of experience. I suspect that if
we were to rate a sub-pilot, we would do so by placing much more
emphasis on the number of hours experience they had underwater rather
than any paper certificate they held. Mark offers a great opportunity to
dive a real submersible and get some experience that you'd have to wait
for until you had already invested tens of thousands of dollars into
your own. Imagine spending all that money only to find out that you
really are claustrophobic after all. I'm guessing that in terms of
function, the differences between the K-250 that he uses and most of the
custom subs of the same size/weight class, are fairly minor.
I think there's room for debate regarding the concept of being a
"certified" sub-pilot at the end of his course, even a certified K-250
pilot. At most, you could probably claim that you are certified by Mark
Ragan to operate his submersible. Without a certifying authority
ensuring the course complied with a common set of standards or
guidelines for recreational submersibles, I think the concept of being a
certified recreational sub-pilot is fairly meaningless.
Jon
bottomgun wrote:
>
> I might differ with Sean's opinion of Mark's underwater pilot's
> course. After following the history of the program through when Mark
> started hosting the course, there has been real value added with what
> he offers. Spoke with him at length during the Raystown Lake PSUBS
> Conference and you really get a lot of time to learn the ends and outs
> of not only the /K-250/ but also sub operations in general. Even after
> spending years on military subs, the same amount of time at EB as an
> engineer, and time in a /K-250/ years ago at George's facility in
> Maine, I would still spend time with Mark and his course not only as a
> refresher but to get a different perspective on sub ops. Hopefully he
> is still offering the course as I would like to attend it in the near
> future and take my brother with me (some of you have met him at
> previous PSUB Conferences) so that he could attend the pilot's course.
> There is a lot to be learned here that will apply to a lot of other
> PSUB operations.
>
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