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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Idabel and HY-100
RE: Getting Paid....
Performing UW services seems like an awful hard way to make a buck....
There are other 'non-traditional' routes that could be explored.
Getting sponsorship for a project like Scott's 'get eaten by a squid :)' mission.
It looks like the X-prize foundation is working on some new prizes in the ocean field:
http://www.xprize.org/future-x-prizes/exploration
SBIR (small business innovative research) grants offer real money ($100K - $500K). From time to time there
are topics in the NAVY/NOAA solicitations which are relevant to manned submersible technology.
Treasure hunting is of course always an option......
-a
-----Original message-----
From: "Brian Cox" ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com
Date: Fri, 09 Jan 2009 11:37:12 -0700
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Idabel and HY-100
> Maybe there could be some work in the global warming industry !
>
> Brian
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of
> vbra676539@aol.com
> Sent: Friday, January 09, 2009 9:27 AM
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Idabel and HY-100
>
>
> Considering that HBOI has virtually suspended submersible operations, and
> that not one but two small sub crews managed to eke a living from
> submersibles for the last 20 years in California, I believe that it is
> possible to extrapolate enough work for a three-man team. Especially if, to
> augment the grocery money, they were willing to untangle the occasional
> prop, paint the occasional bottom or jet in and/or repair a few sea wall
> bulkheads behind a rich guy's house. Full time might be a problem, but there
> are definitely contracts out there--maybe not big enough to pay $16K/day for
> ship and crew, but probably big enough to pay $3500/day and supply their own
> boat.
>
> Jago stays fairly busy out of Germany (mostly with internal money, I
> think), and Phil Nuyton keeps the electric bill paid with first one thing
> and then another, so there is definitely some work for the little guy. The
> major players are falling by the wayside in manned operations, but as Phil
> says: "ROVs are like phone sex. It just ain't the same when you aren't
> there." Scientists especially love to be there, and right now there's maybe
> a vacuum of opportunity.
>
> Given that, I think a small sub with a SOO (ship of opportunity) and light
> enough not to require ABS certified cranes could conceivably make a living,
> especially one run by someone with a lifetime in the biz and lots of
> contacts. Just look at Delta. Besides, as I said, it's fiction, so let me
> assure you, these guys DO make a living, more or less.
>
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Joseph Perkel <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Sent: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 11:09 am
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Idabel and HY-100
>
>
> "....fictionalized but realistic sub equivelant to Delta or Aquarius that
> would triple their depth numbers..."
>
> "....but they aren't oil field tough...."
>
> Vance,
>
> I've seen your references to the oil industry on a number of occasions.
> Given a hypothetical certification of something like your recipe there, is
> it safe to say that both oil and academia, would provide enough work to keep
> the boat, "afloat",..so to speak?
>
> Joe
>
>
>
>
>
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> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Idabel and HY-100
> Date: Fri, 9 Jan 2009 09:52:59 -0500
> From: vbra676539@aol.com
>
> Szbowski (If that's you, then who is Brent?),
>
> I guess my question is still: Why not build the whole thing in HY-100,
> rather than deal with the change in strengths? I've been talking to Karl,
> developing a lightweight, fictionalized but realistic sub equivelant to
> Delta or Aquarius that would triple their depth numbers. Karl has proven
> that it can be done reasonably (or as reasonable as these things ever get).
> However, the fictional version would need certification, and there are some
> things about Idabel they probably wouldn't pass. So, I'm thinking a witch's
> brew: take a little Perry, add a pinch of Nuyton, salt with some Delta and
> bring to a boil with a little Idabel.
>
> The Tritons are pretty and the Seamagines are...well, imaginative, but
> they aren't oil field tough, and so I'm sticking with steel and guard rails.
> Besides, even an HY-100 hull would be cheaper than a 5 1/2 foot acrylic ball
> with hatch and penetrator plate built and tested. I'm guessing this little
> book sub could be built for about what a Triton 1000 meter pressure hull
> costs--a quarter million, say, or a little better. And a completed
> 2-passenger 1000 meter Triton goes for over $2 million, according to the web
> page.
>
> Phil says an HY-100 Aquarius hull could conceivably do 1km, give or take.
> That gives me a 7000# sub able to do a LOT! And remember, it's fiction, so I
> can do what I want. The problem is that the psubs community and the
> professionals out there will tear strips off me if I take any liberties with
> what they know to be true, or even nearly true. They don't suffer fools
> lightly. And besides, my mind doesn't work that way. I want the thing to be
> accurate, however fanciful it might seem to an outsider.
>
> Vance
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Hartwig <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
> To: PSUBSorg <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Thu, 8 Jan 2009 6:53 pm
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jurassic Shark will air soon on National
> Geographic
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi Vance,
>
> They are 3/4" thick, with some thickness changes in some areas do to hot
> stamping them. I'm looking for that data now so I can run some additional
> FEA work on Idabel for Karl when I get a couple other projects finished.
> Steel plate grain direction may also be a factor. The previous FEA work done
> for Karl some time back, had used a perfect 3/4" thickness through out, and
> a pretty large element size. Depending on the size of the assembly, and the
> number of different materials in the assembly, I can pars a pretty small
> element size with my current CAD computer, which in turn will produce more
> accurate results. I'm getting ready to switch over to Windows 64 Bit XP, so
> I can increase my CAD computers RAM to 8 Gigs. Then I can run much larger
> assemblies with out having to leave it to pars all night, then just crash
> near the end of it.
>
>
> "They were built using HY-100 steel rather than HY-80 steel which is what
> previous classes had used."
>
>
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seawolf_class_submarine
>
>
> "HY-80 is a high yield strength (minimum of 80 ksi) , low carbon, low
> alloy steel with nickel, molybdenum and chromium. It has excellent
> weldability and notch toughness along with good ductility even in welded
> sections. "
>
> http://www.suppliersonline.com/propertypages/HY80.asp
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Szybowski
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jurassic Shark will air soon on National
> Geographic
> Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:24:10 -0500
> From: vbra676539@aol.com
>
> HY-80? Any idea how thick? Thanks for the update.
> Vance
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Hartwig <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
> To: PSUBSorg <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Tue, 6 Jan 2009 8:31 pm
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jurassic Shark will air soon on National
> Geographic
>
>
>
>
> Hey Vance,
>
> Karl likes an adventure so he might let you drive. You'll just have to ask
> him. I know there are a couple areas where he dives that have some serious
> entanglement issues, but he would be able to tell you were those are, so you
> can stay clear. I only know of one veiwport failure on Idabel. The lower
> flat window had at first a bad design and it caused the window to flex
> unevenly. That was changed in the last refit. There were a couple other
> viewports that failed in the C-BUG. One reason for those Karl said the
> conning tower bases needed more reinforcement, so there wouldn't be as much
> flex as there was. The conning towers will be upgraded in the C-BUG 102
> model.
>
> The main large dome window has another thinner dome over it the serves as
> a front MBT and dome protector. So the scratches to the dome the guy talks
> about are on the outer MBT dome. I'll have to double check my data when I
> get on my other computer, but I pretty sure all three spheres are made from
> hot stamped HY-80. I don't know about the connecting rings. All the
> weldments were stress relieved twice.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
> Szybowski
>
>
>
>
>
>
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> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jurassic Shark will air soon on National
> Geographic
> Date: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 21:16:17 -0500
> From: vbra676539@aol.com
>
> The narrator is right (eventually!) about the shark's sensitivity to a
> sub's electrical field. They just don't act like that normally. I've spent
> thousands of hours underwater in subs and can count on my hands the number
> of sharks that I have seen close up through a viewport. If they had hair,
> I'd suspect it would be standing up like a static charge will do to a
> mammal. The light blinds them, and the bait saturates their smell-o-vision,
> so I'd suspect the behavior filmed is a result of that land critter that
> Karl talks about baiting with. Otherwise, the sharks would be getting the
> heck out of Dodge, and pronto.
>
> They baited 6-gills off Bermuda for a couple of years, using a Pisces to
> do direct observation, but they kept the sub back a bit. Then HBOI ran into
> one, or rather it ran into them, a couple of years back, and had kind of the
> same experience with the animal blundering around and hitting stuff. Those
> folks were some rattled at the time, and maybe still are. Still, it would be
> seriously cool to see those big dummies down there. And mostly you ain't
> going to do it any other way except in the Stanleymobile.
>
> What worries me is that the web page says Idabel has had four port
> failures, fractures large enough to spurt water onto the paying customers.
> I'd be renting me some strain gauges and a test tank, if it was me.
> Something is moving too much in there. It seems like I read that the forward
> sphere is HY100 and the other two are something else. The only thing I know
> about that is that the Navy refused to classify the old Deep Diver because
> of disparate metals in the aft DLO compartment, and the sub never worked
> again in anything deeper than about 300'.
>
> Still, I'd love to see those sharks... Wonder if Karl would let me drive?
>
> Vance
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brent Hartwig <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
> To: PSUBSorg <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 7:00 pm
> Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Jurassic Shark will air soon on National
> Geographic
>
>
>
>
> I just got these links from Karl. The Discovery Channel and National
> Greographic Channel will air this material very soon.
>
>
> http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/dangerous-encounters/3904/Ove
> rview#tab-Videos/06223_00
>
> http://blogs.discovery.com/deep_sea_news/2009/01/6-gill-sharks-a.html
>
>
>
> Szybowski
>
>
>
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