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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve



Don't set anything in stone, yet. I'm working on the pneumatic version and you can build it to any size you like. No penetrations save a single 1/8" line to operate the spring-closed piston.
Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Cox <ojaivalleybeefarm@dslextreme.com>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sun, 4 Jan 2009 7:36 pm
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve

Hey Frank,
                      I would like to see a "poppet" valve that had a 90 degree worm drive closing mechanism, made in bronze, that would be a nice set up.  It could be fabricated but I'm sure there must be one available somewhere.  If you look at a close up of that butterfly valve, that I linked to, it looks like it's machined to close tolerences.  I think it was rated to 150 psi.  As far a thru hulls are concerned I'm going to put as many as I need,  a turning shaft is a very easy thru hull to make and I would use a shaft to turn my valve.  They have a gear on them so they will stay at any position you set them at.   A Guiness for me !
 
Brian
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of ShellyDalg@aol.com
Sent: Sunday, January 04, 2009 2:43 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Soft ballast venting valve

Hi Brian. Although I will be going with the interior valve/piping design, I like the idea of an exterior valve because of the ease with which you can put a BIG valve on there, making the flooding stage quick.
Not having really investigated the design much, a couple of thoughts come to mind.
First off, you gotta have through-hulls to operate the ballast system. One to put the air into the tank, and another to control the valve. It could be possible to have just one through-hull ( say a 1 inch )  and have two lines ( say 1/4 inch ) running through the nipple/through-hull with epoxy sealing it all up.
The two lines could be: one for air into the tank, and the other a hydraulic or pneumatic line to operate the exterior valve. The valve could be pretty much any size. 3 or 4 inch would be plenty.
Now for the valve itself. A butterfly valve seems to me could possibly leak as it gets older. I haven't much experience with them, but generally don't they have a central shaft where the disk pivots and when closed one side swings out while the other side swings in ? I think a mushroom or "poppet" valve would be less inclined to leak, where there's a disk that pops up into the seat. This type of valve could be fabricated easily and save a bit of money over buying an expensive butterfly valve. The main difference is, a butterfly valve needs power to hold it closed, where a mushroom valve is held closed by the pressure behind it.
I have seen a butterfly valve where there's two halves hinged together and both sides swing out against stops that seal, but the mechanism that opens the two halves is like a shifter fork and is bound to give you trouble is there's any pressure involved. I think Vance was going to use a mushroom valve type system, and he may be able to provide a link or better information than I can. Let me know what you find out, and let's get together for a beer again soon. Frank D.