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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil drum submarine



Hi Brent,
 
The risk that any individual is willing to accept for themselves, is not something that we have any control over.  I think we all understand that.  What we do have control over is how we react to a person taking a risk that is clearly out of the norm, relative to the inherent risks already associated with our collective knowledge and experience.  If we know, or even can reasonable deduce, that a particular design is dangerous, we have a duty to make that known or we share in the responsibility of promoting that bad design.  If our collective advice is ignored, then so be it. 
 
We don't have to get into the politics of wealth or even consider the quality of life of a poor chinese laborer.  Good design and fabrication that meets or exceeds the operational requirements of a particular submarine should be an uncompromisable foundational concept and basic "truth" that transcends arbitrary issues such as financial, social, or political status.  If designing and fabricating a submersible to standards that reliably permit submergence to 10 meters (and resurfacing) costs more than the yearly salary of a poor chinese laborer, then that is a fact worth living with, regardless of how badly we might feel that their dreams may not be met.
 
Safety first, dreams second.  That is the balance we can provide as a group of knowledgable home-builders.  It is a philosophy that is equally burdensome on the wealthy and the poor, and allows innovation regardless of financial, political, or social status.
 
Jon
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of Brent Hartwig
Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 11:45 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Oil drum submarine

Hi Jon,
 
I agree that safety is very important, and that we as a group should and do help each other to be successful long term. I don't however think one has to have a lot of money to build a basic safe submarine. There are so many ways to get things done,
(that usually are expensive) that work great and are durable.
 
When you only let the rich be dreamers and builders of dreams, then innovation will crawl.
 
I don't think that a very poor Chinese laborer should just relegate his life to just surviving. Nothing is completely safe and so everyone has to decide what risk they are willing to take in life. When it comes to safety, many times we don't have much, if any choose when simply trying to exist on this planet in regards to safety.  I guess I'm asking that we try to figure out some sort of balance.
 
 
Regards,
Brent