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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] goop and sealers



Hi Hugh,
 
In the US the paint that you are refering to is called Direct - to - Rust or Epoxy Mastic. It is a very heavy bodied paint and works well. Of coarse, it is still not nearly as good from a longevity standpoint as sandblasted profile coated prior to flash rusting. While I'm not sure what you are painting, the best system for our uses is Sandblasted profile coated with zinc-rich primer first. The zinc rich primer is a sacrificial primer which primer gives itself up in stead of rusting when conditions are suitable for rusting, such as high humidity, alkalinity etc.and acts as an anode. This first coat should be coated with a second intermediate coat of high solids epoxy similar to the Epoxy Mastic described earlier. After adequate cure this shoud be topcoated with the approprate topcoat. The topcoat that will perform well is a good quality epoxy also, however they tend to chalk and fade quickly. Polyurethanes are much better at retaining gloss and chalking resistance, but do not perform as well in immersion envionments I am told. I am still not sure what I will use as a final coat. Possibly a moisture cure polyurethane.
 
Best Regards,
 
Jim K
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Sent: Friday, May 09, 2008 5:16 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] goop and sealers

I have found a paint system that is called P.O.R. ( Paint over rust )  Developed in the US for antique car restorers.  I t sticks like hell and can be and is best painted onto a rusty surface.  Have any of you guys come across it.  You can hammer it after it drys.  I?m planning on using it on some bits.  I have used it in industrial situations but first saw it on an anchor.  Only problem is it is hard to store once you open the can.

http://www.por15.com/

 

regards,

Hugh

 


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of ShellyDalg@aol.com
Sent: 10 May 2008 06:24
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] goop and sealers

 

Hi David. We talked on the phone about this, but I thought I'd send it here to all the guys.

I've used a product over the years with great success. It's called Vulcem and is a liquid polyurethane that comes in a can.

I used a paint brush to apply it, and have seen it hold up well in many applications over extended periods of time.

As far as I can tell, it's impervious to most everything ( except solvents) remains flexible for years even in direct sunlight, and is really strong. It tends to thicken up in cold temperatures so application should be done when it's warm.

I plan on applying a coat on top of the compression fittings and cable connectors where they meet the through-hulls as a back-up sealer. This stuff is really tough, and even when I used it on some seams inside chemical/acid double containment tanks at a local Intel plant, It was still in good shape after 5 years. I used it on metal seams on the roof and the metal regularly went from 150 degrees in summer sun to below freezing in winter. A leak developed up there so we went up and surveyed the whole job and basically went over the whole system with a fine tooth comb trying to trace the leak. Turned out it was a lead flashing near the roof penetration, and not the Vulcem protected seams and joints. This was after over 5 years.

It stays flexible, is grey in color, and although it's a pain to remove, not any more difficult than silicone from a tube or Sika-Flex. It is liquid enough to float out nice and smooth when applied on a warm day, and with a little masking tape, a nice clean looking job can be achieved.

 Possibly a way to mitigate replacement hassles would be to put those heat-shrink tubes over the connectors, and then the Vulcem over that. In that way we might be able to just score the shrink-wrap tube with a knife and pull the whole thing off without having to clean the stuff off the threads or whatever. ( I haven't tried this yet, but it makes sense.)

Anyway, just thought I'd throw that out there. Frank D.

 




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