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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT



Frank,
            I know what you mean about making adjustments once you get your sub wet.  On my sub the displacement is very difficult to calculate since I have such a free formed shape which has been sculpted with the ferro-cement.  I'm thinking of using one of the sail boat cranes at the harbor to lower my ferro body into the water to get a wieght in water reading of that part of my sub, they have a scale on the crane that is fairly accurate.  You need to be careful going from saltwater to fresh water, as soon as you hit that fresh water you are going to sink like a rock !
 
Brian
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From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org]On Behalf Of ShellyDalg@aol.com
Sent: Wednesday, May 07, 2008 8:44 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] VBT

Hi Brian.  (" tapping on the side" ) That's definitely low tech, but not quite as accurate as I'd like. I think that with a little practice, a guy should be able to approximate what level is needed to achieve neutral buoyancy. That level can then be repeated as long as other factors affecting buoyancy remain constant. However, changes in temperature, salinity, and depth ( it's much colder at depth around here ) can require small adjustments that only a VBT can provide. If I start out at a river mouth launch site where there's very little salt in the water, and then motor out to the ocean, the difference in buoyancy, although not that large, would make adjustments necessary. This scenario is typical of where I plan to dive. Both of the local harbors near here are situated on rivers. With a displacement of 900 gallons, the difference in salinity/water density will make a difference. I'll need some way to set the level in the tank about half way full, and then repeat that level consistently on following dives with out time/energy consuming re-balancing the boat to neutral.
I'll be carrying lead bricks on the inside for major weight changes like a passenger or additional equipment for a specific dive, and the drop weight is adjustable also with a little wrenching, but being able to repeat a level of buoyancy consistently when all other factors remain constant should make multiple dives easier and faster. I want to maximize the useful time spent submerged without spending too much time adjusting for neutral. Did you see the composite propane tank link Greg put up ? that looks promising.
I'm still not sure how big the tank needs to be. It's probably not that critical, but the amount of fine adjustment needed is affected by several variables. And then there's the amount of air it takes to change that level. If you can set the level at the surface, it takes only a little air. If you need to make adjustments at 300 ft. then it takes a lot more air, and then you've got a pressurized cylinder inside the sub with water in it. That will need to be dumped once you get back to the surface. Of course, I've never actually done any of this before, so maybe I'm over thinking it. I'm certain there's going to be some design changes needed after I get this thing wet. Some of them will undoubtedly be expensive fixes. I just want to avoid dangerous mistakes.
Frank D.




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