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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UQC



Ah, tenks you beddy much.  I was never in the navy so I wouldn't know.
 
Rick
 
 
 
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:41 PM
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] UQC

Never heard of it? UQC is navy speak for underwater acoustic communications and has been an industry and military standard since the 1950s. Vance


-----Original Message-----
From: Rick and Marcia <empiricus@telus.net>
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Thu, 10 Apr 2008 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio link

Hi, again - My sub will be an ambient so scuba depths are my operating limits for towing.  This is also a temporary measure and I'll have Coast Guard backup during trials.  With auxiliary floats set up right, fouling shouldn't be a problem (famous last words).
 
You mention UQC.  Could you fill me in a little more?  This seems interesting.  Is it established as a form of u/w communication?  Sub-to-sub?  I've never heard of it.
 
Rick
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 3:15 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio link

Yes it will, you just have to be careful of submerging the antenna while transmitting which will result in blowing your transmitter.  The tourist sub I was considering being the maintenance manager for used a similar arrangement but didnâ??t dive deeper than 50 ft.  Anything trailing from a sub is at great risk of fouling especially in thrusters/prop.  Ultrasound (UQC) is the best way to go.
R/Jay
 
 
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
Vive vt vivas
â?? Live that you may live
 
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Rick and Marcia
Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2008 01:25
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio link
 
Hi, Jay - so  if I have a VHF onboard and run an antenna cable to a float (with the antenna attached above water) that would work?
 
Rick
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 3:48 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio link
 
The antenna length for VLF and energy requirements for the radio will far surpass that of a VHF radio.
R/Jay
 
 
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
Vive vt vivas
â?? Live that you may live
 
From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Rick and Marcia
Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 07:29
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio link
 
Hi, Max - sorry for the late response, I've been overseas.
 
Thanks for the great info.  Now to decide whether VLF would be easier to implement than a hard-wire to the float.  Guess the ham guys will fill me in there.  I know that VLF carries less information - or is that ULF . . .
 
Cheers and thanks again  :-)
 
Rick
 
 
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] radio link
 
Rick,

My HAM friends tell me you are looking for a Very Low Frequency (VLF 3KHz - 30KHz) set up like the military uses, and the good news is that you can DIY one fairly easily.  (So they said.).  I believe that this frequency gets some 20 meters of penetration, but that's just a ballpark rumor I have.

I haven't built one, but I'm connected to some hams in Napa and Washington state and would be happy to get you some contact information if you're interested in talking to them.  They will have the math at their fingertips to tell you what your power and range requirements will work out to.  They'd also know how to avoid stepping on any legal and military toes.

http://www.radio-flier.com/diy_corner.html  - you'll find VLF for an example receiver.  I would advise google/shopping around for more information.

I'd bet the HAMming community would be happy to help someone building a PSUB.  It just seems like the hard-science, unique kind of projects they enjoy.

--Max Elliott

On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Rick and Marcia <empiricus@telus.net> wrote:
Has anyone figured out how to establish a radio/video link with a surface vessel?
 
My somewhat non-tech mind is thinking of a hard-wired connection with the antenna attached to a diver's float.
 
How far from the transmitter can you run an antenna?
 
I have offers from the Canadian Coast Guard to act as standby divers but I'd like to give them a play-by-play on her maiden voyage.
 
 
Rick Lucertini
Vancouver, Canada