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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Hull shape



 
Hello again Hugh. I chose the two tank head shape for just that reason. Although I'm not claustrophobic, many people are. After sitting in several of the ''propane tank'' types, from 36 inch dia. to 52'' dia. I built a wire frame and cardboard hull shape of my current design and a 48 inch tube just to see how it felt to be inside.
There's a huge difference. Although I lose room in the length, the extra width makes the interior feel much larger. Movement inside is also much easier. With the ''K'' boats, you have to crawl to the back to access the batteries or whatever and when the plumbing and wiring is there, it gets pretty tight.
The seat centered under the tower of the ''K'' boats makes it difficult to move around inside as well. When you're driving the sub, you are quite a distance from the front windows, so seeing something up close while maneuvering means you can't see through the tower windows, and you're either sitting on the floor next to the windows, or lying down. In that position, only one person at a time can be close to the front, with the passenger looking over your shoulder for an outside view.
With the flattened sphere shape, I'm sitting side by side with my passenger, and we're both looking out all three windows, and are very close to the windows. The view is really pretty good.
I don't have a tower, so I will probably add two more windows. One on each side. I have the material, but didn't cut them in yet. The two smaller 12 inch windows are angled up slightly so I can see up and forward and to the side pretty good while still driving, but can't see directly beside me or behind. I'll be installing a video camera/ periscope that will rotate and an onboard TV for that. Now that I have the hull together, I like the side window idea because I'll be able to see my side motors/dive planes.
My joysticks will be in a box that can be moved around, so when I'm maneuvering with the hatch open, like at the dock, I'll be standing up, my head outside, and the box will be hanging on a latch next to the hatch ring. When I'm submerged, the box will be sitting in the cradle, next to the gages.
The 84 inch tank heads have a capacity of 334 gallons each. A 2:1 semi eliptical tank head (one) at 72 inch diameter has a capacity of 211 gallons. This will help you calculate displacement, and final weight.
I had originally wanted to use 96 inch domes, but with side motors, it would be too wide to transport easily.
The 84 inch was a good compromise. 6 inches less width on each side, wasn't too noticeable, and keeps it small enough to tow behind a truck on the road. I would highly recommend making the wire and cardboard frame for what ever shape you choose. It's cheap, fast, and really gives you a good idea of how it feels. You can knife out what ever windows you're contemplating, and move them around easily.
The 6 inch ring was needed to get an inside height of 52 inches. I should have had the heads made with a 3 inch straight section. That would have eliminated the 6 inch ring, and given me just one circumference weld.
Highly recommended. One more thing. My hull is 3/8 inch thick. Because I need to add a lot of lead anyway, I'd go with 1/2 inch thick. The extra strength is good, and the difference in cost is small. That extra 1/8 inch thickness adds a lot of depth to the hull crush factor.
The windows are the weakest point, so make them strong. I anticipate diving at 150 feet most of the time, but I want to be able to go in water 500 feet deep and if I sink to the bottom for some reason, well, you get the idea.
The inside height is something to consider closely. At 48 inches, it's a little close. 52 inch fit me good. The interior is roomy, I can just reach over and access the entire inside easily, where the electrical connections, valves, (and wet bar) are easy to reach. The sound inside is pretty cool too. I had my wife climb in and sit next to me and there's lots of room for two. It could even carry three if they were thin.
The seating is still under design, and will probably have a bench seat rather than the bucket seats I've got on my picture page.
A bench makes more sense when I'll be alone in the sub. I'll be sitting on just pillows until the sub is tested so I can get some driving experience before committing to a final seat design.
I'll have a total of 10 batteries. 3 banks of three,( 36 volts per bank) with one more for fans, lights, etc.( and the stereo)
The batteries are located low along the perimeter, and don't take up much space there. Three on each side, three behind the seat, and the single one in front of the back three. This leaves plenty of room for seating, and the battery compartments are boxed and sealed, with a flat lid on each. Kind of looks like arm rests.
I've kept all the gear low, so the center of gravity stays low, and it maintains the roomy feel. The plumbing is against the hull, and valves ( even the overhead ones) are easily reachable from anywhere inside .I've got room between the battery banks for the two scuba tanks for high pressure air, and the two pony bottles with regulators for emergency escape or back-up air.
Trust me. Build a card board model first, add all the cardboard boxes for batteries and tanks, cut in the windows, and play with it before committing to a final shape/size. I learned a lot about placement by doing this.
I got my tank heads from ''Fort Worth F&D Tank Head Co. in Texas. They had the best price at the time. (last year) I had to get a local iron shop to buy them for me, because they only sell wholesale.
Well, that's about all for now. Let me know if I can help, and good luck in your project. Frank D. 
  







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