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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Decision Time.



Frank,  Having a releasable safety buoy with a cable attached would be one way to give your surface support a tool to pull you up. Also having a backup lift bag system as a part of the sub could prove very useful.

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When you were talking about the air bubble in the conning tower and hatch and how to remove it with your hatch valve I realized that would hard to do, since you are likely going to be breathing through a open circuit SCUBA system that is putting a lot of air into the conning tower. So you would need one or more large valves in the hatch to release a lot of air quickly or use a closed circuit rebreather system. Also having a number of the small SpareAir SCUBA units could be used to easily exit a small hatch with. Having more then one easy to find, glow in the dark dive light would be good.

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Brent Hartwig



From: ShellyDalg@aol.com
Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 18:56:08 -0500
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Decision Time.
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org

Hi James. First off, there aren't any ''silly'' ideas. But here's a few thoughts on those ideas. I'm no expert, but just some preliminary thoughts.
On the escape modes you showed, I can't really see where either one would be effective.
If escape is what's required, the bottom hatch won't help, because you are likely on the bottom anyway, having tried to fix whatever it was that got you in that predicament. On Kraka, I think the bottom hatch is for diver in/out at shallow depth and not escape. To accomplish that, you have to pressurize the sub to ambient before you open the hatch so water doesn't rush in. May have some use if you are above the ocean floor and entangled on something. You could probably exit the sub, break it free and hope you could get back in before it floated away, but still, only at shallow depth like 120 feet or less. Seems like a lot of extra work unless you planned on opening the hatch as a diver in/out anyway.
About the front dome, Sorry, but I don't think that will work either. Jim K. has a 39 inch plexi dome for his sub located on the nose, but of course it won't open. That would require a LOT of work, and still won't work as an escape method. If you open the front dome or the top hatch, you have to flood the sub to open anything anyway. It won't open with pressure on the outside.
As I understand it, to exit the sub, the accepted method is to flood the sub, and with scuba gear on, climb out and swim up. If there's a compressed air bubble in the tower, it exits the sub with EXPLOSIVE power so you need to be some distance away from the hatch when it's locks are released. Be a good idea to have a dive light on board because it's going to be cold, wet, and pitch black.
Keeping the hatchway clear of any handles etc. will help with exit. Make sure the hatch is big enough to exit with a scuba tank on.
My hatch is 20 inch dia. and it's a tight fit, but can be done.
I also have a small hole/valve in the hatch dome to release the high pressure bubble that will form there. Hopefully no violent exit of air when it's opened. I would think it's better to spend your time/money on making sure the sub doesn't break in the first place, and having a well practiced plan for the unlikely event of having to flood and exit.
Redundant systems, back-ups, and practice will give you a better chance of getting out of the situation than adding another hole to the sub.
Do you plan on diving alone? Or really deep? might be a good idea to add an exterior fitting/valve so someone attempting rescue could pump air into the hull, or maybe a method of connecting a cable to the sub remotely ( like a grabber arm) so you could be hauled up without flooding.
I think Dean had an idea on how to drop a hook onto a sub by following a wire down that was released by the pilot. Anybody have any thoughts on how to grab a sub and pull it up? Frank D.




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