Peter,
These submersibles can’t fully dive…they run awash.
Most likely detected by their heat signature from the diesel/gas engine used to
propel them. Have previously worked with our US Coast Guard in searches for
downed fliers. Their C-130s are equipped with very sensitive infrared sensors
(FLIR) that can scan a wide swath of the ocean. The hot exhaust and warm
barely exposed hull shows up clearly against the cold ocean. I note that most
of these are found not far from the coast (even though several have been
scuttled in deep water) so this makes the search effort easier since they don’t
really put out to sea.
R/Jay
Respectfully,
Jay K. Jeffries
Andros Is., Bahamas
A skimmer afloat is but a submarine, so poorly built it will not
plunge.
From:
owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
[mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Peter Madsen
Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 5:43 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] drug boats / what are they ?
What
are these drug boats - I mean they seem to be build in large numbers ( hardly
"homemade" ) but do they dive with ballast tanks - e motors and
pressure hull ?
If
they are indeed "real" submarines I find it quite surprising that
they are detected since a small sub. A non aggressive
sub going deep and silent is a very difficult sonar target even today. I
don´t clam that such as boat is undetectable, only that its difficult and
takes quite a big navel force ( surface vessels, maritime patrol aircraft and
the like )
I
have talked with navy ASW officers on the subject - and their view is -
based on experience with old Russian
whiskey
diesel subs that even today its not in any way a simple task to detect a
submarine that must not let go of its stealth in order to attack
or undertake espionage.
BTW
- smuggling submarines is one place where super Li ion batteries would be very
nice. A deep diving, electric only - slow and very silent boat would be perfect
for that mission.
Being
the devils advocate - its smuggling drugs worse then using submarines to hide
nuclear weapons to ensure the destruction of all life on the planet if the
need for this emerges ? Or using submarines in other warfare such as ensuring
that Japanese sailors will be eaten by sharks or US sailors will freeze to
death in the cold grey Atlantic ?
I
my humble opinion smuggling its a shitty mission. like the other four
examples is shows a nice technology used for an evil purpose. I condemn the
crew and their on shore commanders in all mentioned scenarios to
about the same extent.
Second,
drug subs may make psubs less welcome in some places and may provoke
trubble with custums.
-----
Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, January 04,
2008 8:51 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST]
drug boats
I also agree. Just because it can dive, does not make
it a submarine.
David Bartsch <dbartsch2236@hotmail.com>
wrote:
I agree...if its tube like and
low in the water, it must be a sub!
> Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 23:59:12 -0500
> From: irox@ix.netcom.com
> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] drug boats
>
>
> I think that's a pretty spot on, about there not being a problem with
> drug running submarines.
>
> However, I would add, that there is a problem where many people seem to
> have little idea what a submarine really is, and will apply the term to
> almost anything they think has a submarine like shape or profile.
>
> Ian.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: David Bartsch <dbartsch2236@hotmail.com>
> >Sent: Jan 3, 2008 11:19 PM
> >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] drug boats
> >
> >
> >Did someone not say that a problem with drug running submarines did
not exist near these waters?
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