Hello Peter, Carsten, Brent, Brian, Ian,
I like your DIOGENES (greek philosopher living in a barril) approach.
And i am with you when you say that a person can live in hull of some
2m inner diameter (a small trailer has that) - this is sufficient to
stand up and strech out - which is the basic requirement.
People have crossed oceans in canoes and live rafts but what we seek
and try to implement with ians 200 ton submarine is oceancrossing as a
"pleasant yachting experience" not as a "survival experience".
I like peters aproach especially because it shows that "living in a
submarine" is a experience that can be at least than satisfying as
living on board of a yacht.
In fact a submarine is the only living space available to have a fine
dinner and a good night sleep during a storm in open sea. As soon as
you resolve the space problem you get a "on water living" concept that
is quite revolutionary. "The oceancrossing submarine yacht".
It was quite revealing to me when i boarded my submarine on a cold
winter day with minus 20 degrees and found the temperature inside at
10 degrees plus (the water temp) - no heating at all - water living
has its advantages.
The question is how can we make private submarines big enough that a
average person (and his wife!) would enjoy living on board the whole
year maybe travelling worldwide.
I think ians boat will be the final answer to that. People will come
on board and say whow - that is spacier than my new york
apartment...it is living space in miami, cancun, montecarlo, all
together - affordable maintainance cost - that makes sense ! Ians boat
will have 4,6m diameter x 18m.
As soon as this boat is on yachtmens map (and we will put it there)
big finance and further development will come quickly - counting on
you submariners to join me in this ... finally i am market development
manager not engineer...carsten, remember you promised...
Mfg
W.Ellmer
(concretesubmarine.com)
Quoting Brent Hartwig <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>:
>
> Hello Peter,What type of insulation did you use for the UC-3 ? A
> number of guys talk about launch dates, but your one of those guys
> that will likely do it. ; )' Life has a way of getting in the way
> of one finishing there goals, unless there truly focused and
> dedicated. You Peter, are very focused and truly dedicated. But I
> suspect you truly like living in UC-3, so it might no be as much of
> a sacrifice to you as it would be to some other SMMO's
>
> I know all about giving up a supper comfortable place to live to
> save money for ones goals. When I first started my commercial
> tropical bird farm. I stayed in my minivan and then later in an
> large old cold storage room that was once used for storing the fresh
> eggs when the buildings where used for layer chickens, many years
> before. That room was the most insulated room in the facility, so
> at least I could stay warm, but as you would expect there were no
> windows, and it was hard to bring a date home and hang out in the
> cooler. In hind sight I should of acquired a lava lamp, and set up
> my aquariums. ; )'
>
> Regards,
> Brent Hartwig
>
>> From: peter@submarines.dk
>> To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 20ton/20meter diesel electric psubs
onyoutube.
>> Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2007 00:12:04 +0100
>>
>> Sir,
>>
>> I have for one year now lived on UC-3 during har construction. She is 2
>> meters diameter and 32 tonnes.
>> Its very much okay, she is insulated and has a kitchen and a bathroom. Of
>> cause you need to be a little mad to do so, but it saves me a
lot of money
>> not to have to have other housing during the constution.
>>
>> I agree that 6000 nm is extreme for the boat seen on youtube.
>>
>> UC-3 is launched by may 2008
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: <clientes@tolimared.com>
>> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>> Sent: Saturday, December 15, 2007 3:11 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] 20ton/20meter diesel electric psubs
onyoutube.
>>
>>
>> Hi Ian,
>>
>> Whow what a boat! But 6000nm range - not in practice - living space is
>> 20m long which leaves some 1m hull diameter for a 20 tonner (20 cubic
>> meter space) - to stay in for a day - well for a claustrofobic prove
>> charakter - to stay in for a month - or even a weekend - no way! So
>> too small for being really autonomous...
>>
>> My prototype was a 20 tonner but not that long and thinn - euronaut is
>> 70 tons - planed for weekend tours - a boat with "live aboard quality"
>> similar to a yacht needs at least 100 tons see BEN FRANKLIN (130 tons)..
>>
>> By the way your 200 tonner is already aproved by dimar counteradmiral
>> peña firmed the paper i have a meeting with the boss of cotecmar this
>> monday - this will decide if we build in cotecmar or navtech.
>>
>> W.Ellmer
>> (www.concretesubmarine.com)
>>
>>
>> Quoting irox <irox@ix.netcom.com>:
>>
>> >
>> > 20 meters
>> > 20 tons
>> > 260hp diesel/electric drive
>> > 6000nm range
>> >
>> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jmSpYzgfOs8
>> >
>> > I've not heard of this craft before, does anybody know anything
>> > about it?
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > Ian.
>> >
>> >
>> >
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