[PSUBS-MAILIST] sub registration problems

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To answer pierre, dan,...

I am not sure if i said it already at this forum ...
I registered my 20 ton 9m autonomous yacht submarine in AUSTRIA as a  
"floating water toy below 10m length electric powered" - no  
registration needed - no licence needed - back in 199.

I had a fellow submariner who had a trailerable sub of kittrige size  
whose project was shut down a year ago in 1995 due to police  
intervention  when he towed it out of his garage on a trailer.

The argument - in his case - was "Austria is not permitted by  
Constitution law to have "SUBMARINES"

This passus was written by the british in austrias post war  
constitution and meant to avoid any future u-boat threat to the  
british islands in the future.

So wherever you live when you build a sub (be aware that you might  
trigger a certain grade of paranoia) - it can make a hell of  
difference to the authorities depending what WORD you choose for your  
hobby. Take "water toy" instead of "submarine" you will be fine - in  
austria .

Here in Colombia a yacht submarine will get registered as a boat - no  
difference.

P sub building is not only reading the tech papers it is also:  
authority, register and related problems - management.

Don´t get surprised - know the law text when police FBI etc come on  
board - and pierre - do not fear in most cases it tends to be easier  
than you would expect.

When i had police comming on board my submarine yacht in austria first  
question was "what is this" (i knew my text - avoid submarine) "a  
electric powered watertoy below 10m with no registration duty" - ah -  
-interesting- may i sit for a moment in the driver seat... and police  
never returned when i was out for a nice submarine yachting weekend.

Authorities do not want nor seek "problems" they just want a way to  
FIT you in somewhere in their existing rules - make sure that this  
happens convenienty - in any case avoid that authorities are obligated  
to act - due to a nasty roumor - somehow - and against you - be  
proactive - be a open book chat with them - meet you local navy  
commander - port captain - talk nicly to FBI when opportunity arise -  
as we have seen sometimes it will.

Be a good embassador of your sport.

I remember the time when ultralight flight was whiped out in Austria  
by a law that said "all flying vehicle that does not fit into existing  
airline regulations is forbidden and not wanted in austrian airspace"  
- this was later reviesed by lobbying from a powerful hobby industry -  
and integration of european laws - be aware that psubbers does´nt have  
a lobby yet...

Peter, great boat you have built - my honest reference on that - keep  
your dream going !!!

Cheers Wil
(concretesubmarine.com)





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