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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Yet another "drug" sub captured./sensors
Hi Carsten Peter,
Yep carsten, this is more or less the level what sensor technology we  
are talking about...Just to complete... Hubble space telescope which  
is the civilian version of spy satelites can detect the light of a car  
in paris from united states - in all kind of wavelenght...radar  
satelites can look how much rock dust contains ice cap on mars 3 km  
below surface...a colombian admirals smiles about the remote  
possibility of a submarine sliping trough sensors - when it is made  
out of concrete - not of steel which already was easy to find by early  
magnetic sensors...colombian navy makes physiologic studys on whales  
that include heart beat and breath data without closing in on  
disturbance distance...I can see a chart of blue and gray whale  
distribution in bering sea on internet (cortesy of US navy). A us navy  
admiral says in history channel - they did not know it, but no soviet  
submarine came out of our sensor range at any time in any ocean for a  
single day during whole cold war EVER ! - declassified info !!!
As somebody who lives in colombia i also know that there is a treaty  
unique  of its kind - between colombia and United States that allows  
US warships to enter colombian territorial waters with no restriction  
to deploy that kind of sensors, - to hunt freely so to say - i find a  
submariners cap "USS Boston nuclear submarine" on my beach in Tolu  
when having my vacations...
Smugglers are professionals they know that things at least as detailed  
as we do.
And they have experience what works and what not.
It is easier to disappear a 25 ton container on a freighter containing  
thousands of containers and staying in port for 1 day on a tight  
shedule leaving customs with a impossible search task - you have just  
to delete a record in the database a secretary will do the favor. -  
not to fight against all the sensors that WW2 and cold war and billion  
of dollars of military investigation brought up in just that point -  
detect submarines.
If you had to make a list of US navies most loved and trained  
scenarios the colombian coke submarine would be on top together with  
the arab bomb submarine...
So to speak with carsten where would be your money if you have to bet  
- mine would be 99% for the hunter - if you had a AKULA or similar.
Coke and bomb submarines szenarios will keep poping up when it comes  
to justify navy and satellite budgets in US congress - but similar to  
bigfoot, UFO, Nessi, and company real world is a different case...
Cheers, Wil
(concretesubmarine.com)
Quoting MerlinSub@t-online.de:
Hi Peter,
A friend of mine is a physican. He told me some 15 years ago that   
there is a machine in a basement of a University Labatory in   
Hamburg. Huge and cooled down with liquied helium for 4000 euro a   
month
running cost. And able to detect any nuke sub running under the pole  
 - and from Hamburg..
And there are satelitts available which meassure the seawave heigh   
by graphity..
Other one meassure the deep of the sea bottom by radar.
And I can see wrecks of ships in not so deep water by google eath   
satellit pictures..
And they have only 30 % or less resolution of what are possible..
And any harbour can be protected by a simple magnetic loop on the   
floor - even the hole Florida coast if nessesary. The harbour of   
singapur has that and even Gibraltar has one since 1942!
The US underwatermicrophone system was able to detect the remains   
unhappy USS Scorpion over a distance of 3000 sm. And they detect the  
 explosion of the russian sub also.
I52 was detectet by sonar microphones from a aircraft in 1944 - than  
 hit by a microphone Torpedo, launched from the same aircraft. The   
operator of the aircraft make a tape with the noise of the  electric  
 motors and propellers of the sub, the splasch of the torpedo   
launching and the sound of the running torpedo and the sound of the   
impact, explosion and suinking of the sub. And i hear that tape on   
the internet in 2005!
I myself found yust last year a wreck MIG17 jetaircraft which less   
mass and size than Kraka with a side scan sonar woth of about 20.000  
 and 15 years old.
The found just some years ago a wreck of a uboat of teh norwegian   
coastline - on the sidescan pictures you can see even the hatches of  
 the liferaft containers on there superstructure!
If I today have the chooise between the hunter and the smuggler I   
vote 75% for the hunter.
regards Carsten
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