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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea



Clifford 

Thanks for the excellent reply and instructions.  Were can I see a photo of your sub?

Good point about the cycles, repeated impact shocks to the container would compound it too.

How did you mix the resin with the spheres? Did you end up with 25.7% resin because you could not reduce it more because of problems with mixing or is that the preferred volume for strength.

If reducing the resin volume was desirable would it possibly help to draw the resin through the spheres with a vacuum?

If the purpose of the resine is to simply portect the spheres from shock then would polyester resine be a sutible substitute?

Thanks again.
Doug J
www.submarineboat.com


 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: cliffordredus@sbcglobal.net
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: Sun, 22 Apr 2007 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Glass microspheres idea

Doug,

If the objective of using the glass microspheres is to add buoyancy, then using the microspheres by themselves without a binder could be problematic over repeated cycles of compression and decompression due to breakage of the spheres. I would not use the microspheres without a binder.
 
 
As a point of reference, on my boat, I laid up a hydraulically clean fiberglass shell over my pressure hull.  To add buoyancy and to structurally support the fiberglass shell, I cast syntactic foam in the annulus space between the pressure hull and fiberglass shell.  After discussions with others that cast syntactic foam, I used a low viscosity two-part epoxy that has a slow kick.  This made it easier to pour after mixing with the microsphres and since I was casting thick sections, minimized the chance of cracking due to the exothermic reaction. The volume of the syntactic foam I cast was 15.5 ft^3.
 
One other point, to get a low density (26 lb/ft^3), I had to use both microspheres and macrospheres.  I experimented with different ratios of these three components until I got the density I was looking for.  The ratio I ended up with was 19.3%, 55.0% and 25.7% by volume of microspheres, macrospheres and catalyzed resin, respectively.
 
The epoxy resin I used was Huntsman Araldite GY-9667 with Huntsman Jeffamine D-230 Polyoxypropylenediamine as the catalyst. I used 3M K1 microspheres and Cumings Corp macrospheres ( 1/4-3/8" diameter  12-15 lbm/ft^3 true density).  The macrospheres were not off the self, they were fabricated to meet my 300 fsw design depth and have a crush depth of 1000 ft.  The only down side to making this syntactic foam was the cost which ended up being $157 per cubic foot, ouch!
 


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