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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Contingency Planning Presentation



Joe,

Partial loss of an MBT and various other combinations of MBT loss of integrity casualties are already in the list.  The paper and presentation timeframes will not let me work through the process for each contingency but my plan is to cover several to illustrate the process so that each sub captain can build his on contingency list, rate them as to severity and likelihood of occurrence, actions to be taken, and possible ways of engineering away the issue.

 

The MBT issues are very valid and different combinations of casualties should be looked at a head of time for their impact on stability along with trim on the surface.  This massive calculation process is VERY simplified if the sub is modeled in a package like Rhino and then some of the RhinoMarine utilities are used to automatically extract the trim and stability data.  The model makes it very easy to run “what ifs” by adding various vent holes or change the configuration of the tanks and the tedious calculation necessary to get the answer are handled by the software.

R/Jay

 

 

Respectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

A skimmer afloat is but a submarine, so poorly built it will not plunge.

 

From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Perkel
Sent: Friday, March 23, 2007 6:49 AM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Contingency Planning Presentation

 

....Another thing I'd like to see discussed is "partial" loss of buoyancy control. ie....dealing with sudden extreme attitudes (deck angle). Dan H with "Persistence" employs bleed holes in the ends of the MBTs.

The idea being should you loose one MBT, the sub would self level to a point allowing use of the vent valve in the remaining good tank, and then escape in a level attitude on the bottom?

Surface stability aside, this is another reason to employ the additional saddle tanks.

I remember Vance talking about lifting heavy objects off the bottom. I assume this means you arrive at the surface in an unusual attitude?

So if one where to design fore and aft MBTS of sufficient volume, then without bleed holes, you could perhaps still arrive at the surface in an unusual attitude, and surface support then "right" you with a lift bag.

Options...options!?

Joe


From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Contingency Planning Presentation
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 03:35:32 +0000

 

Jay,  A very worthy topic of discussion. My input as follows per an earlier off list response.

1) I had not considered until I read this, the potential implications of a passenger in "full blown" panic. I see this often enough in my work in the ICU, to recognize just how bad this could be enclosed in a metal can with someone like that.

In retrospect, although perhaps rare, I see how this has the real potential to incapacitate the pilot and render the vehicle uncontrollable. The recent astronaut incident illustrates human frailty, and the necessity of contingency planning.

Suggested remedies.

Pre screen criteria to possibly include "dry runs" on land, with darkened ports, pilot to "judge" response.

Short duration "initial step down" dives, to "qualify" observers for long duration deep dives.

Pilot familiarity with stages of panic symptomatolagy.

Any doubts, normal surface procedure

Response to worse case scenario.

Initiate emergent surfacing procedure

Pilot to don or (secure) independent air supply

Assume protective posture (pilot), retreat to fore / aft end away from hatch

Call for assistance if able

Attempt "talk down"

Call for assistance being the only reasonable response in my view.  Any attempts at restraint increase the potential for injury.

As for overhead environments, the WHOI Alvin manual is short and sweet on the subject. Basically a form of "No way Jose"! :)

Jay, What is an "Outfall" pipe? a sewer line? I am assuming this is big, nasty, and something likely to be encountered in the littoral environment.

This convention is shaping up quite nicely, I do wish I could attend.

Joe



 


From:  "Jay K. Jeffries" <bottomgun@mindspring.com>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject:  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Contingency Planning Presentation
Date:  Sat, 17 Mar 2007 12:31:16 -0400
>This didn't make it through the first time, here it is reformatted.
>
>I am working on my presentations for this summer’s conference and would like
>to ask the aid of the list in attempting to develop a comprehensive list of
>potential contingencies that might arise during the operation of a PSUB. 
>Please see the attached outline below of my first stab.  Identifying all of
>the potential casualties is the first step of five in developing a
>contingency plan.  Your assistance in this matter would be appreciated.
>Thanks!
>R/Jay
>
>I. PSUB Casualties
>    a. Fire
>       i. Full out
>       ii. Smoldering
>       iii. Battery
>          1. Fire
>          2. Explosion
>    b. Flooding
>       i. Rapid
>          1. View port rupture
>          2. Catastrophic hull failure
>          3. Burst pipe
>          4. Through main hatch surfaced
>       ii. Slow
>          1. View port fracture
>          2. Leaking fixture/seal
>    c. ± Excessive Depth Excursion
>       i. High speed down angle
>       ii. Rated depth/crush depth
>       iii. Surfacing collision
>       iv. Emergency MBT blow
>       v. Loss of drop weight
>    d. Loss of Power
>       i. Main power
>       ii. Emergency power
>    e. Loss of Maneuverability
>       i. Entanglement
>       ii. Locked steering
>       iii. Overhead environment
>          1. Ship
>          2. Cave
>          3. Outfall pipe
>       iv. Strong current
>       v. Shorted motor
>       vi. Run away motor
>    f. Loss of Buoyancy
>       i. Loss of MBT air
>       ii. Loss of MBT integrity
>          1. Partial loss of a tank
>          2. Full loss of a tank
>          3. Loss of all MBTs
>    g. Life Support Issues
>       i. Scrubber failure
>          1. Loss of power
>          2. Damp scrubber agent
>          3. Caustic cocktail
>       ii. Contaminated atmosphere
>          1. Carbon monoxide
>          2. Chlorine gas
>          3. High partial pressure oxygen
>          4. Various VOCs
>             a. Paint
>             b. Cleaning agents
>       iii. HP air/oxygen release
>       iv. Oxygen regulator failure
>       v. Barotrauma
>          1. During pressurization
>          2. Barotrauma during emergency ascent
>       vi. Thermal stress
>          1. Hypothermia
>          2. Hyperthermia
>       vii. Decompression Illness
>       viii. Aspiration/inhalation
>       ix. Traumatic injuries
>    h. Launch/Recovery Failure
>       i. Heavy seas
>       ii. Fouled lifting equipment
>       iii. Catastrophic lifting equipment failure
>       iv. Fouled hatch
>       v. Recovery vessel collision
>          1. Side
>2. Propeller(s)
>       i. Loss of Surface Support
>       ii. Sudden storm on surface
>       iii. Lost
>          1. Sub
>          2. Surface support
>       iv. Communications
>          1. UQC
>          2. VHF radio
>       . Surface support premature departure
>    j. Miscellaneous Casualties
>       i. Shorted instrumentation
>          1. Navigation
>          2. Lighting
>       ii. Grounding
>          1. Reef
>          2. Shallows
>       iii. Claustrophobic passenger
>          1. Mild
>          2. Maniac
>    k. Compounded Casualty
>       i. One of the above casualties results in one or more additional
>casualties
>       ii. Severe flooding =battery short, chlorine gas, and life support
>systems failure
>
>
>
>
>
>
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