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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Welding machines for submersibles



Hi Welders,
The new computerized MIG machines eliminate the cold start problem by running higher voltage at arc start for a programable number of miliseconds, thus mitgating one of the previous significant negatives of this method. They also can incorporate pulse tachnology which gives better transfer efficiency as well as minimizes spatter.

Best egards,

Jim kocourek
----- Original Message ----- From: <MerlinSub@t-online.de>
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Sent: Saturday, March 17, 2007 5:32 AM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Welding machines for submersibles


Tig = Tungstun inert gas ? Wire in the one hand and pistol in the other ?
We call it here WIG = Wolfram inert gas.

I use this for Troughhulls white/black also. The best fine welds.
MiG/or Mag is not very common for Troughhulls because of the cold start and the difficultnest on some places to get it around.

Because of the big amount of troughhhulls we found this solution :
First layer to make an close basement and heat up the strong material
with Tig and all the following four-fife layers with MIG to safe time.
4-5 Fife layers of TIG takes to much time and maybe overheat the material.

In General TIG for fine things and MIG to make the rest.
High quality can also produce by stick weld - but stick welding is not so easy for a person without much training.

Best regards Carsten


"Daniel Lance" <lanceind@earthlink.net> schrieb:
Brent,
The typical stainless steel penetrations on a K-250 or K-350 are of relatively small diameter (1" to 2" ) . I believe the "average" welder in a home shop not using a welding positioner would have a difficult time twisting a mig gun around that small of a penetration and still produce a quality weld. In my opinion tig welding in this situation is even more efficient than stick welding. No cold starts , no splatter all museum quality weld. Stick or Mig does have its place on the larger diameter stuff like a hatch ring or group electrical penetrator ring.
DL


----- Original Message ----- From: Brent Hartwig
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Sent: 3/16/2007 6:35:28 PM
Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Welding machines for submersibles


Dan,
I've seen pretty good results with using MIG to weld the stainless steel through hulls to carbon steel using stainless wire on a hyperbaric chamber. What are the advantages of using a TIG machine for this? Is it that TIG has less chances of inclusions and a smoother finish?
Regards,
Brent




From: "Daniel Lance" <lanceind@earthlink.net>
Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Re: Welding machines for submersiles
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2007 06:26:01 -0400


Ray,
I would recommend the smaw welding process for all your pressure boundry welds , tig for the stainless steel penetrations and the mig welding process for everything else. A good used stick welding (smaw) machine with an amperage rating of 250 to 300 amps will cost somewhere in the neighborhood of one to two thousand dollars. It has to have a duty cycle of at least 60 percent. As a bonus you can also do your tig welding with the same machine, utilizing a scratch strart technique. To save money you can do without the mig machine and do everything with stick . Stick welding (coated electrodes) is the most versitile process for doing equipment repair too. Miller, Lincoln , Airco, Hobart and Esab are some of the more common brand names . Be sure to get one with an infinate type amperage adjustment versus one that only adjusts in 15 or 20amp "clicks" . I would not take a click type even if someone wanted to give it to me. Is not enough fine adjustment for the critical work that you will need to do.
Dan Lance

























Daniel Lance
lanceind@earthlink.net
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