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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] on-board air.



Frank,

Normally you motor towards the surface and blow MBTs at or near the surface that way you get many more MBT blows (~6x the number you would get blowing at 150 fsw).  Also, why not carry your ballast blow air on the outside of the hull to increase internal space? 

 

You are going to have a lot of difficulty getting out of a normal sized PSUB in an emergency with a regular sized scuba tank.  From practical experience, a typical pony bottle (16 cf) will not be very useful for escape from 150 fsw…a 40 cf bottle will get you to the surface safely (approximately the same diameter as a 16 cf bottle but longer).

 

As to a scrubber, you want to use oxygen and not air for emergencies.  If you use air, your cabin pressure will constantly rise due to nitrogen buildup while oxygen should keep your cabin pressure approximately constant if correctly used (CO2 scrubbed equals O2 added).

 

How do you conveniently get a CO2 tank refilled when you need to make a lot of dives on a long weekend?  The CO2 system will be more expensive to build as compared to air, CO2 with moisture forms carbonic acid so your corrosion rate goes up, and maintenance costs increase due to having to maintain scuba and CO2 regulators.  The gain is not worth the pain.  Please remember the KISS principle around PSUBs.

R/Jay

 

Respectfully,

Jay K. Jeffries

Andros Is., Bahamas

 

It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
  -
Aristotle

 

 

 

 


From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of ShellyDalg@aol.com
Sent: Saturday, February 24, 2007 8:53 PM
To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] on-board air.

 

Hi Jay. Both good points. My thought was that the volume per cubic foot of available tank space for air versus CO2 might help in a small sub when the tanks are inside and taking up valuable space.

A standard scuba tank at 80 cubic feet of air takes up quite a bit of space. Now, let me ramble for a minute.

2 people on board, diving at 150 feet, want to blow ballast dry maybe 3 times each dive. ( one to come up, one to try but fail to come up, and one more to come up after you fix whatever it was that failed.) Hopefully you get it right by then.But if it still won't come up........

Now you need two tanks for escape air, and enough air with a scrubber to stay stuck for three days while you hope someone can get to you.

That makes about 6 scuba tanks.

 What if you could replace all the ballast blow with one liquid tank, ( 3 blows, or 3 scuba tanks.)

With a small sub, it's getting real crowded in there with all those tanks.

I don't think anyone carries that much air in a small sub, but more is better than less!

Just wondering.Frank D.




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