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RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] do a serious concrete sub project
Wilfried,
Take a ride on an"Atlantis"tourist sub then follow it back to its storage
and maintenance dock . Jay's words ring true no matter what . Bigger sub ,
bigger maintenance issues.Think ABS, LLoyds, Cayman Island Registry. Maybe
you can hide it in French Polynesia but my guess is that if you want to
take paying customers you will probably need liability insurance
> [Original Message]
> From: <clientes@tolimared.com>
> To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> Date: 2/17/2007 1:46:59 PM
> Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] do a serious concrete sub project
>
>
> Jay, well spoken - what it means to make a simple dive in a psub . This
is why
> having a 40 tonner concrete submarine yacht on a bouy is less cost and
easier
> maintainance weekend diving than having a 2 ton "psub" on a trailer.
>
> Wilfried
>
>
> > Years ago while in grad school for Marine Affairs (policy and
management)
> > and tourist subs were a hot number, did a study of how big the market
was.
> > Conclusion it is a very small market and there were only a handful of
sites
> > around the world suitable for conducting tourist sub ops. A successful
sub
> > depends on a high tourist through-put, a high passenger loading factor
(how
> > many seats of full capacity are filled), a high seating capacity
(numbers
> > showed that a 15-passenger tourist sub would have a hard time covering
> > costs), and a heavy operational schedule (multiple trips per day and
most
> > the days of a year). This was proved out a short time later by the high
> > number of boats going out of business and orders for new subs being
> > canceled.
> >
> >
> >
> > If you read Busby's commentaries, his book was an effort to document
all of
> > the subs in the heyday of submersible building. The late 60s saw a ton
of
> > units built in the expectation of a burgeoning undersea lifestyle. He
> > recognized this wasn't happening and it was turning into a bust market
so he
> > collected all of the designs he could and documented them in his book.
Very
> > few subs in his book were around long.
> >
> >
> >
> > Much like diving, submersibles are a tool to meet an end. Unless you
have a
> > specific function for the sub, most get laid up after a short time.
Most
> > PSUBbers are in it for the challenge, comradery, and knowledge gained
along
> > the way. It takes a lot of work to make a dive in a submersible, you
just
> > don't go out for a joyride and sightseeing as you can in a small power
boat.
> > Prior to a sub outing you have to get HP air and charge the batteries,
have
> > to perform a thorough systems check prior to and after launch (it is
amazing
> > the things that can come loose towing a sub on a trailer), it is a major
> > operation to launch the sub (how many are kept in slips?), then it has
to be
> > slowly towed out to a dive site (few have something that is really
> > interesting to see or close to a launch site), a tow back to shore, a
haul
> > out, and the trip home where the sub has to be cleaned up and washed
down.
> > This is a MAJOR evolution for the average guy (haven't seen any women
PSUB
> > members, subs have to be a guy thing)! There just isn't a great big
market
> > out there that can sustain regular production.
> >
> >
> >
> > BUT WE LOVE OUR SUBS!
> >
> > R/Jay
> >
> >
> >
> > Respectfully,
> >
> > Jay K. Jeffries
> >
> > Andros Is., Bahamas
> >
> >
> >
> > It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought
without
> > accepting it.
> > - <http://www.quotationspage.com/quote/1152.html> Aristotle
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> > From: owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > [mailto:owner-personal_submersibles@psubs.org] On Behalf Of Joseph
Perkel
> > Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 10:31 AM
> > To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> > Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] do a serious concrete sub project
> >
> >
> >
> > In my observations regarding money making tourist sub operations. It
appears
> > to me that the location is the necessary ingredient to a successful
> > operation, not the sub itself so much. You need a constant flow of
"willing"
> > traffic.
> >
> > Take Karl Stanley in Honduras for example. Not likely the locals do much
> > recreational subbing, and just having "tourists" is not necessarily it
> > either. Who are these tourists? I suspect most of Karl's passengers are
the
> > adventurous "globe trotting" diver crowd.
> >
> > Same thing in the Caymans and Hawaii, it's "who" the tourists are, along
> > with the numbers that will make or break you.
> >
> > Joe
> >
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