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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]saturation diverlockout

To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]saturation diverlockout
From: MerlinSub@t-online.de
Date: 14 Feb 2007 21:57 GMT
Reply-to: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
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Thats right. But you can have still have saftey backups. 

For example: The rules say that all controlls for diver chambers has to be outside the chamber. On Euronaut the chamber has the controls double - in and outside. And spare bottles inside the chamber. The simple reasons is that the maybe more dangerous part of the sub is outside the chamber - and the chamber works as "rescue-boat" in case of machineryspace fire in the sub or so. 

Most of the rules are made for chambers onshore or on board of surface ships. 
We stay alone deep underwater far from home, even in the night and under a storm - no help from outside available or requested. So we have to think about our own backups and saftey issues.  

The Lloyds rules has a paragaphe like 
"or a equal solution if the rules is not common. 

Best regards Carsten 

"Daniel Edwards" <dan_f_edwards@hotmail.com> schrieb:
> privately im sure you could do this but obviously you could never conform to 
> imca specs or have all the safety backup and topside support of a full scale 
> sat spread.
> 
> 
> >From: clientes@tolimared.com
> >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST]saturation diverlockout
> >Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 11:31:37 -0800
> >
> >HAHA
> >Thougt that good old carsten has his way to figure out how to make things 
> >happen
> >in Euronaut if he makes a claim... surely the good man has spotted a couple 
> >of
> >sites to visit with euronaut where other people think this can only be 
> >reached
> >with a major saturation dive operations...
> >
> >This is like the suborbital flights - NASA does it for BILLIONS a couple of
> >clever Guys made it for a couple of hundreds...
> >
> >Remains the LIMBO question - how low can you go...privatly...and euronaut 
> >based...
> >
> >Good Luck Carsten...
> >
> >Kindest Regards
> >Wilfried
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > Yes Sir ! But what will be happend when your breathing Helium gas
> > > goes only really short way to your back-tornister in insulate hoses, 
> >refresh
> > > with o2 and clean from Co2 - in a chemical cardtridge which produce also
> > > plenty of heat and than back to your lungs ? Any cycle again and again ? 
> >;-)
> > >
> > > No hot water can be lost - beause there is no hot water. Hand and feetss 
> >can
> > > be heated additional electrical by high power lithium ion batterys if
> > > required.
> > >
> > > Why they dont approved Argon for insulate the suit ? Many trimix and 
> >cave
> > > diver use it without problems.
> > >
> > > A Diver ? Well a diver is somebody with a copper helm and lead-shoes..
> > >  very heavy and only on the seabottom.
> > >
> > > regrads Carsten
> > >
> > > "Øystein Skarholm" <skarholm@gmail.com> schrieb:
> > > > Yes, this is true if you wanna go sat diving on your own. But you will
> > > > never be able to reach the criteria for diving in for example the
> > > > north sea for the Norwegian gouverment or any of the oilcompanies up
> > > > here. Argon in dry suits has been tested and found not approved years
> > > > ago. When diving on trimix the gas is reclaimed, treated and heated
> > > > befor it goes back to the divers. Actually the system these days are
> > > > much more complicated then back in the 70.
> > > > The biggest problemsduring sat diving is loss of hot water. Because of
> > > > the Helium you breath you can risk freeze to death long time before
> > > > you can get rescued if the sumarine looses its power.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 2/14/07, MerlinSub@t-online.de <MerlinSub@t-online.de> wrote:
> > > > > I dont agree.. That's was true in the 70ies.
> > > > >
> > > > > Euronaut will fit for saturation diving. But without diver ropes and
> > > pipes.
> > > > > No hot water for the divers suit.
> > > > > With a new type of double-rebreather. And Argon in the suits.
> > > Undepentadly from the submarine-system. And that makes the remaining 
> >system
> > > inside the sub pretty small.
> > > > >
> > > > > :-o Regards Carsten
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "Øystein Skarholm" <skarholm@gmail.com> schrieb:
> > > > > > A complete system for sat diving is a pretty large system. And 
> >again
> > > > > > if you thinking commercial then a submarine can no longer compete
> > > > > > against a surface vessel. The number of crew during sat diving is
> > > > > > large. And all of the requirements for backup and rescue is
> > > > > > tremendous.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 
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