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Well Rick,

Put it this way, if all the PSUBers of the world decided to move here all at once, and then multipied like rabbits, there would be plenty of room on all these big lakes. Ray has been hiding from me for just that very reason. ; )'  He has enough critters in his back yard.

Brent


From:  "Rick and Marcia" <empiricus@telus.net>
Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
To:  <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
Date:  Thu, 8 Feb 2007 12:00:02 -0800
>Hardy-har!!  I passed right by your place a couple of years ago - picked up
>a motorcycle in Western Montana, via Spokane.
>
>What sort of psubbing is there in your area?  Or do you plan on camping in
>Ray's backyard (Oregon).
>
>Rick L
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
>To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
>Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 4:15 AM
>Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
>
>
> > Rick,
> >
> > I'm so close to Canada I can smell the Canadian Bacon.  I reside in north
>Idaho, near the ever beautuful Priest Lake.
> >
> > Brent
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>----
> >
> >   From:  "Rick and Marcia" <empiricus@telus.net>
> >   Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   To:  <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> >   Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   Date:  Thu, 8 Feb 2007 00:51:27 -0800
> >   >Yeah.  Mind you I'm jealous but don't tell anyone.
> >   >
> >   >BTW, what's your neck of the woods?
> >   >
> >   >Rick L
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >
> >   >----- Original Message -----
> >   >From: "Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
> >   >To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> >   >Sent: Wednesday, February 07, 2007 12:31 AM
> >   >Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   >
> >   >
> >   > > My thoughts exactly Rick.    It gets up to 33 degrees fahrenheit
>here and
> >   >I think it's tee shirt weather.
> >   > >
> >   > > Cheers,
> >   > >
> >   > > Brent
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   > >
> >   >
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >   >----
> >   > >
> >   > >   From:  "Rick and Marcia" <empiricus@telus.net>
> >   > >   Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   To:  <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> >   > >   Subject:  Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   Date:  Tue, 6 Feb 2007 22:34:02 -0800
> >   > >   >POOR POOR BABY!!!  52 degrees!!!!
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >Watch it , Joe, you have CANADIANS and SCANDINAVIANS on this list
>;-)
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >Rick L
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >----- Original Message -----
> >   > >   >From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> >   > >   >To: <personal_submersibles@psubs.org>
> >   > >   >Sent: Monday, February 05, 2007 8:17 AM
> >   > >   >Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   >
> >   > >   > > Brent,
> >   > >   > >
> >   > >   > > The 42" hull is based on an offhand comment by Vance regarding
> >   >minimum
> >   > >   > > comfort. But I look at Persistence and her trailer and see
>that
> >   >extra
> >   > >   >weight
> >   > >   > > as a big minus. Still, too tight for changing clothes though.
> >   > >   > >
> >   > >   > > Incidentally, it was 52 deg in Miami the other day, we broke
>out the
> >   > >   >parkas
> >   > >   > > and lit the imitation fireplace! :), My Mango tree got a
>little
> >   >wilted.
> >   > >   > >
> >   > >   > > Joe
> >   > >   > >
> >   > >   > > >From: "Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
> >   > >   > > >Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > >To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > >Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   > > >Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:16:48 -0800
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >Yo Joe,
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >What happened to having a 42" hull???  : )' Are you going to
>build
> >   >a Sgt.
> >   > >   > > >Pepper II?  I'd like to see Carsten put on a dry suit inside
>of
> >   >Sgt.
> >   > >   >Pepper
> >   > >   > > >and then try to get it off with out a knife.  It would be so
>funny
> >   >he
> >   > >   >would
> >   > >   > > >need to put it on You Tube .com.  Enjoy your warm weather
>Joe, it's
> >   >so
> >   > >   >cold
> >   > >   > > >here the grizzly bears moved into my garage to finish
>hibernating.
> >   >My dog
> >   > >   > > >don't like it at all.
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >Brent
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >"What can I say, I'm a submarine half full of the good smoke,
>kind
> >   >of
> >   > >   >guy."
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   > > >From:  "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> >   > >   > > >Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > >To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > >Subject:  RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   > > >Date:  Mon, 05 Feb 2007 13:43:06 +0000
> >   > >   > > > >
> >   > >   > > > >Brent,
> >   > >   > > > >
> >   > >   > > > >That is too too funny! I don't know about you but, my arms
>need
> >   >to
> >   > >   > > > >flail in a 6' diameter whenever putting on a wet suit! :)
> >   >....and
> >   > >   > > > >getting the thing off....a 12' diameter!!
> >   > >   > > > >
> >   > >   > > > >Joe
> >   > >   > > > >
> >   > >   > > > >>From: "Brent Hartwig" <brenthartwig@hotmail.com>
> >   > >   > > > >>Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > > >>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > > >>Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   > > > >>Date: Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:37:45
> >   > >   > > >-0800
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>It always seemed to me that a PSUB should have dry suits
>and/or
> >   >wet
> >   > >   > > > >>suits, along with SCUBA gear for all on board for leaving
>a
> >   >flooded
> >   > >   > > > >>sub.  Of course putting on wet suits in a small sub is a
> >   >challenge
> >   > >   > > > >>but it can be done.  I wish the military subs of the world
>would
> >   > >   > > > >>design there submarines so that all personnel on board can
>leave
> >   > >   > > > >>the sub in a dry 1 ATM escape pods.  The escape pods can
>be
> >   >inside
> >   > >   > > > >>the subs hull just like the triton missiles are, but with
>allot
> >   >of
> >   > >   > > > >>hatch and other systems of course.  Even if the submarine
>is one
> >   > >   > > > >>it's side the pods would be designed to still able to
>exit. I've
> >   > >   > > > >>been thinking about a PSUB design were the main pressure
>hull
> >   >can
> >   > >   > > > >>detach from the main supper
> >   > >   > > >structure and float to the surface, if
> >   > >   > > > >>your supper structure is entangled or other issues.
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>Regards,
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>Brent
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>From: "Joseph Perkel" <joeperkel@hotmail.com>
> >   > >   > > > >>Reply-To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > > >>To: personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > > >>Subject: RE: [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   > > > >>Date: Sun, 04 Feb 2007 16:03:25 +0000
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>Oystein,
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>We have discussed this at length, and is always worthwhile
>as a
> >   > >   > > > >>discussion to be revisited. The general consensus is as
>you say,
> >   > >   > > > >>self rescue is the best course.
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>You simply need to be able to get out of a flooded sub.
> >   >Saturation
> >   > >   > > > >>issues aside for
> >   > >   > > >a moment, even here in Florida, exposure can be an
> >   > >   > > > >>issue...in Norway....I don't even want to think about it!
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>A non-flooded casualty (entanglement), with sufficient
>reserve
> >   >and
> >   > >   > > > >>surface communication, you might evaluate the situation
>for
> >   > >   > > > >>external help if risk is negligible (depth?).
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>The marker buoy in my case is to serve two purposes..1)
>keep
> >   > >   > > > >>vessels clear of the downed sub 2) mark it for recovery.
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>Joe
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >>From:  "Øystein Skarholm" <skarholm@gmail.com>
> >   > >   > > > >>Reply-To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > > >>To:  personal_submersibles@psubs.org
> >   > >   > > > >>Subject:  [PSUBS-MAILIST] Psub in distress
> >   > >   > > > >>Date:  Sun, 4 Feb 2007 15:00:23 +0100
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > > >Have anyone considered the probability to be rescued in
>case of
> >   > >   > > > >>an
> >   > >   > > > >> >emergency in submerged stage ? A distress buoy can help
> >   >getting
> >   > >   > > > >> >attention, but what else? I think submariners in psubs
>needs
> >   >to
> >   > >   > > > >>be
> >   > >   > > > >> >able to rescue them self. Up here in Norway, we have no
>rescue
> >   > >   > > > >> >vessels
> >   > >   > > > >> >for quick response in matters like this. Looking back to
>the
> >   > >   > > > >>rescue
> >   > >   > > > >> >of
> >   > >   > > > >> >KURSK, we are talking about days before rescue arrives.
> >   >Thoughts
> >   > >   > > > >> >anyone?
> >   > >   > > > >> >
> >   > >   > > > >> >--
> >   > >   > > > >> >Vennlig hilsen
> >   > >   > > > >> >Øystein
> >   > >   > > > >>Skarholm
> >   > >   > > > >> >
> >   > >   > > > >> >
> >   > >   > > > >> >
> >   > >   > > > >> >
> >   > >   > > > >>
> >   > >   > > >
> >   > >   >
> >   >
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>The personal submersibles mailing list complies with the US Federal
>CAN-SPAM Act of 2003.  Your email address appears in our database
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>603-529-1100
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