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Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] basic design help



Also...
The GPS Tow package can be done, but remember the longer your tether the longer your error, that you need to correct for... plus lots of people advise against it due to the large entanglement hazard it brings to the situation. Underwater navigation is a sticky problem, there are lots of solutions (Inertial, Sonar Tracking) but none of them even remotely perfect. I forget his name but there is someone on this forum that knows more about this particular topic than anyone I've encountered thus far... Hopefully he'll pop his head up again for this one.
 
Your transducers for non-commercial fish finding applications wont work past 2-3 bar depending on their manufacturer, reinforcing is also an issue becuase it'll cause a bunch of noise for the transducer. http://www.portup.com/~dfount/sidescan.htm has some good information about sonars... not all of it, mind, but enough that it'll kick start you on that particular path.
 
Hummidity is a problem when there is a large temperature differential, and/or when something is breathing in the cabin. Now as I design for ROVs hummidity concerns have always been about the temperature differential mostly. I tried experimenting with the chemcial used in babies diapers as a dehumidifier a few months back but it was very inneficient in the end. There are commercial dehumidifiers out there, but they put a large load on your electrical system.
 
Finally, you say you want to cruise at relatively high speeds... can be done, but you're going to have to find a good source of power, and lots or room to store it for a full sized PSub, I run an ROVs onboard power down in about 3 hours with 6 thrusters and an onboard "computer" that is really nothing more than a PCB w/ a Pic or BS/2 mc and assorted ICs, so my load is fairly small but... battery power isn't long power.
 
Man, this post sounds discouraging... I'm not trying to be, I just wanted to illustrate the various obstacles that need to be overcome. Everything can be done, you just have to find out how :)
 
 
George H. Slaterpryce III
www.bridgessoftware.com
www.captovis.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [PSUBS-MAILIST] basic design help

I have reached a point in my initial design and sure would
appreciate a few basic questions answered. From this point
on I will be doing serious modeling, and really would like
the first attempt to be really stupid.
 
First I am planning on normal propane shaped pressure hull
power will be from ambient trolling motors.
an outer hull will be built for resistance as I want to
explore large areas of Lake Superior, speed will be
a large consideration. Working depth 400-500 ft fw
pressure hull design to have crush depth of >1500
 
First I will be using control surfaces for cruising.
I am planning on using hydraulic cylinders to operate
these with an on demand hydraulic electric pump.
The cylinders will be wet with hydraulic hoses thru
hull for control valves. Am also looking at a basic
mechanical arm using hydraulic cylinders.
 
Electrical components, can I seal in liquid acrylic
to withstand pressure and can the wires be sealed
with the same acrylic encasement, or do they need to be water
proof connectors.
 
I am planning on multiple fish finder sonars, and probably one
of the new fish finder side scan sonars. Will the transducers
epoxied to the hull handle these depths with out added
acrylic type reinforcement.
 
I also would like to tow an antenna on the surface for
GPS guidance and radio communications. Is this a
pipe dream, has it been done.
 
Is humidity a problem inside the hull during dives
also I will be operating in a constant water temp
of 47 degrees F do I need heat
 
Well that sure is enough questions. These are my hold
ups at the present to continue with my design. I want
to thank everyone for assistance so far. I do not think
I would be able to accomplish my dreams without
all of you
 
Thank you very much
Dean Ackman